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I've noticed throughout the board there is just general confusion regarding the use of these two products with regard to what type of body fat you have. Not to mention that answers are so spread out between forum topics & threads. Could we possibly get some straight answers from AVANT members and perhaps pin this thread so that we avoid reposts regarding them? These are the questions I think would basically answer and solve the problem with the confusion. Some may seem repetitive, but clarity is obviously need on this. First and foremost: The 2 types of body fat - VAT and Sub-Q/SAT VAT - This type of fat is considered to be the underlying fat beneth muscle. This type of fat is also located around organs as a means of cussion/protection. Sub-Q/SAT - This type of fat is found directly underneath the skin. This would be the type of fat that is "jiggly" or "pinchable". Questions for what type of person should use which product: 1) "Fat Guy" - Overweight, high amount of fat around midsection (stomach, love handles or think in terms of "beer gut" and chest fat-"he-boobs") which would consist mainly of Sub-Q fat: Ab-Solved or LipoDerm? 2) "Skinny Guy" - In shape, still has a little buldge around stomach/love handle area that can't be ridden of. This would be more of the VAT type of fat: Ab-Solved or LipoDerm? 3) VAT fat - Ab-Solved or LipoDerm? 4) Sub-Q/SAT fat - Ab-Solved or LipoDerm? 5) Thigh/Hip fat - Ab-Solved or LipoDerm? 6) Arm fat - Ab-Solved or LipoDerm? If anybody else has questions they think should be added to this thread to once and for all solve this dilema please do so. Thank you in advance to all AVANT members for helping with this. This post has been edited by Skate on Apr 16 2004, 02:35 PM Let us begin a revolution. I herebye place Skate at the helm. HARRR what be yer orders Captain?! - u.w.f.f. You hate us 'cause we'll never go away
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#1 type guy would have issues with BOTH kinds of fat, but should definitely start with Absolved in order to get VAT under control. VAT causes major health problems, in addition to making the overall appearance appear worse. Absolved would be the better choice. #2 guy - Not necessarily a cut and dried VAT issue. As you describe, VAT is located under the muscle and around organs - so you would have to check the consistency of the abdomen. If the abdomen is soft and squishy, but the circumference of the underlying muscle is decently small, then this would be stubborn Sub-Q fat. And, if the stomach is relatively firm, but the waist is big, it would be a VAT problem. so....Small waist with a roll of jiggly fat: Lipoderm Ultra bigger waist, but firm: Ab-Solved#3 - Ab-Solved#4 - Lipoderm or Lipoderm Ultra #5 - Lipoderm of Lipoderm Ultra #6 - Hard to say exactly what the cause of armfat it. Lipoderm Ultra aids fatloss by many different mechanisms, and MAY be effective targeting this type of fat, bit the reviews and support studies are not in. Hope this helps a little bit. RecompPerformanceNutrition
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Helps a ton...thank you much!!! EDIT: dsade...you said to start out with the Ab-Solved. I'm a big guy...picture the late great Chris Farely. That's about my size right now. If I would start out with A/S how long would you recommend using that before switching over to LipoDerm? Also, is there a cycle time you recommend? I have a long way to go obivously, so what kind of cycling period should there be if needed? Thanks again for the help. Let us begin a revolution. I herebye place Skate at the helm. HARRR what be yer orders Captain?! - u.w.f.f. You hate us 'cause we'll never go away
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OK I have a question that didnt get answered in another topic concerning this. Im 5'5", recently got real lean down to 150. Lower abs still stuborn. here is a pic: http://www.wtfbracing.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=1234I dont have a pic with my abs flexed but imagine the top all good.....and bottom the same as the pic above. Would you suggest lipo or absolved for this? Set Your Goals
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Honestly, at Chris Farley range I think diet and workout routine should be your primary concern. Absolved would be better to add in once you got down in weight a bit. At this point, though, you might want to check out SesaThin to help you drop some weight - but only as a supplemental addition to getting your diet and routine in check. RecompPerformanceNutrition
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| QUOTE (dsade @ Apr 21 2004, 03:05 AM) | Honestly, at Chris Farley range I think diet and workout routine should be your primary concern.
Absolved would be better to add in once you got down in weight a bit.
At this point, though, you might want to check out SesaThin to help you drop some weight - but only as a supplemental addition to getting your diet and routine in check. |
First off, thanks for all the help on this, d. Not to get way off onto another tangent in this thread, but is the SesaThin new? I couldn't find it on BN's site. I can pass this question on to Mike or David but if you happen to know offhand lemme know. Also, I'm already taking the Super EPA fish oil, so if I did start taking SesaThin would I want to drop the EPA from my stack? Thanks again for all the help!!! 
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And like some sort of fungus we're growing everyday
And our knuckles aren't dragging so I guess that leaves to say
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| QUOTE (anthony giovannone @ Apr 22 2004, 08:51 AM) | Alright i ordered some lipo ULTRA and dropped my usual cardio for HIIT.
I'll let you all know how it goes. |
Are you going to keep a log somewhere, or just report back with overall results?
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| QUOTE (anthony giovannone @ Apr 22 2004, 08:51 AM) | Alright i ordered some lipo ULTRA and dropped my usual cardio for HIIT.
I'll let you all know how it goes. |
Anthony, I ordered some ab-solved. I'll let you know how that works for me, you do the same.
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| QUOTE (dsade @ Apr 21 2004, 03:05 AM) | Honestly, at Chris Farley range I think diet and workout routine should be your primary concern.
Absolved would be better to add in once you got down in weight a bit.
At this point, though, you might want to check out SesaThin to help you drop some weight - but only as a supplemental addition to getting your diet and routine in check. |
A male who is Chris Farley fat would benefit hugely from Ab-Solved, as far as health -- it would probably help with body composition, but when you are in that state, diet and exercise are going to overwhelm almost anything else. SesaThin would also be quite useful, in the same ways.
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You want to be getting 1-4g a day of EPA/DHA. Sounds like the pills you got are pretty low in that area, so yes you would be needing to pop a boatload of them a day. I would recommend going with the Super EPA from Now Foods. For 2 gels, it contains 720mg of EPA and 480mg DHA. It's a better bang for your buck too. They may look for pricey, but once you break down the cost to mg content it's a better deal. Ok, now I need an question answered since we're on the subject of oils now. I was looking over David's article again to verify the above. If you're targeting say 3g a day, which mg/g content to you go by regarding the EPA/DHA? Going by the EPA % you would be looking at taking 8 gels a day for 2.8g. In that case, you would then be getting 1.9g of DHA (hope my math is right...it's still early). Don't want to go off on a tangent since this thread is about Ab-Solved and what not, but if anybody knows please post. Let us begin a revolution. I herebye place Skate at the helm. HARRR what be yer orders Captain?! - u.w.f.f. You hate us 'cause we'll never go away
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| QUOTE (KP55 @ May 3 2004, 11:56 AM) | | I just got lipo-ultra that i wanted to try out b/c I have the Sub-Q fat i want to try and lose. My question is on dosage, I mainly want to lose the fat on my stomach, some love-handles, not too bad, and some on my chest. Is two on my stomach, one on each side and one on each pec the right dosage? |
IMO sounds good. Just try and split the application time around 12 hrs apart.
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And our knuckles aren't dragging so I guess that leaves to say
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I got ON's brand b/c they were cheap and i thought i only needed to take 3 or 4 a day. Thanks for the info tho 
