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Posted: Apr 21 2004, 09:31 PM
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Any estimates as to how long it takes to drop some of the water weight from S1+ after beginning PCT? Is their a visual difference after, say, a week of being off? My face looks fat while the rest of me is looking leaner.

BTW, I'll be running 6-OXO PCT at the end of my 6 week cycle.

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Posted: Apr 21 2004, 10:22 PM
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I don't take S1, but have seen similiar side effects from like products. My face looks fat, the rest of me is lean. Was wondering if this was from a creatine product , 1-AD, or 4-AD. All of which I am currently taking. Just started this cycle about a week ago after having come off the OXY cycle. Any advice about this would be appreciated.
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Posted: Apr 22 2004, 10:02 AM
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Did I say something stupid that's preventing me from getting an answer?
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Posted: Apr 22 2004, 10:11 AM
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Are you being objective about how much BF you gained during the cycle? Water weight drops off quickly, but BF will be there until you diet it off. A week should be plenty of time for water weight to drop off. I typically will see a difference after a PH cycle 3-4 days after stopping (or after starting PCT).

Try increasing your water intake to at least another half gallon more than what you currently are at, upping your Vit. C too can help. If it's really bothering you, try an herbal diuretic combo, or something like Taraxatone.
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Posted: Apr 22 2004, 12:12 PM
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HEY, thanks, Weights! The underlying fat is not my concern right now, as it is relatively low, which is why I'm hoping my abs will be even more defined if I lose the water retention that I feel might be adding to the "smooth" look (also in my face).

Let me ask you this, the water weight that you lost 3-4 days into PCT, how did it affect your appearance? I mean, did you look tighter and more cut or did you feel smaller like your muscles deflated some. I know that the water weight I lose when I cycle off creatine leaves my muscles looking a bit flatter (and that makes sense since creatine draws water into muscle cells) but what about the water that comes with PHs?

All these factors considered, will overall appearance improve 3-4 days into PCT (ie, still have 95% of size PLUS look more ripped due to lost water) OR will the loss in water make my muscles look smaller?

PS. I've been off creatine for a week. I will start back loading creatine in two weeks when I begin PCT. My expectation: This may counter any visual loss of size during first week of PCT and perhaps help me maintain strength (helps psychologically). I need to look my best at 1 week into PCT.
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Posted: Apr 22 2004, 02:50 PM
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Well just remember in general that a ripped 18 inch arm is always going to look better that a fat 18 inch arm.

For me after 3-4 days after I usually look better, definitely not smaller, but definitely more vascular, and a little more defined.

The 4-ad/1-test is still circulating in your system at this point, but to a lesser extent, so for example during a work out you would still have the benefit of still getting a better pump/ increased red blood cell count, but without the continuing higher amounts of PH's in your system your body will begin to back off on the estrogen output, allowing the water weight to begin to drop off.

I wouldn't wait too long to throw the creatine into your PCT but If you need to look your best for some reason then just play it by ear. The only other thing I would recommend is follow the above protocal and drop your carbs quite a bit the entire week until the day before you want to look your best.
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Posted: Apr 22 2004, 03:49 PM
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Dang, I almost wouldn't mind a fat 18" arm, but I get your point.

Yes, I'll be doing carb depletion/loading that week. Thanks for reinforcing that I need to do that.

I need to look my best about 2.5 weeks from now - which happens to be about 5 days after ending my 6 week cycle. If I start my PCT, creatine loading(and increasing water), and carb depletion, will the timing be right for optimal muscle fullness/vascularity/shred 5 days later? Or do you think I should start some of these things sooner/later?

THANKS A TON FOR YOUR HELP! smile.gif
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Posted: Apr 22 2004, 04:43 PM
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Honestly, you might sacrifice some of the gains you made from you S1+, but I would wait to start the creatine. The reason for the increased water intake is that the higher water level will act as a natural diuretic, pulling even more water out of your system during that week. It's all going to depend on the way your body reacts but this would be a general example (or one that I have used)

*last week of cycle-
continue typical on cycle diet
increase water by .25 liter per day the last 4 days (depending on current total intake) of cycle.
Week 1 (post cycle)
(Sun.)
start 6-OXo
decrease carbs by 50%
increase water to 2 gallons day total by Tues.
increase Vit. C to 5grms daily
(Wed.)
maintain 2+ gallons water, Vit. C
cut carbohydrates completely
(Thurs.)
Vit. C
Taraxatone (if necessary, its worked ok for me in the past)
decrease water to .5 liter total
(Fri.)
Taraxatone
minimal water
(Fri night/Sat. morning)
carb load, simple/complex carb, minimal water

--Save the creatine for the following Sun. This is what has worked for me in the past when I "practiced" for my first comp. There are plenty of other ways to drop water, especially with other prescription methods, but I've found that this was very mild compared to what some friends have done biggrin.gif

If you are doing cardio, which I'm assuming yes, I would stick to a HITcardio routine the last week too. I'm guessing that you're not doing a show(?), but this has also worked well for me for a day at the beach too!!
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Posted: Apr 22 2004, 04:53 PM
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Tim,

Your timing might be a little off. From what I have read here on these boards is that you want to keep you cals high at least for a week or two into your PCT to help retain your gains. It might be more bennificial to stop your cycle at 4/5 weeks instead of 6, keep the cals high for 1/2 weeks and then a week before you need to look your best to cut your cals back then.

Keep in mind that I am new here also, but that is just the info that I have gleaned from the net.

Hope this helps, Good luck.
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Posted: Apr 24 2004, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (Timouthy @ Apr 21 2004, 06:31 PM)
Any estimates as to how long it takes to drop some of the water weight from S1+ after beginning PCT? Is their a visual difference after, say, a week of being off? My face looks fat while the rest of me is looking leaner.

BTW, I'll be running 6-OXO PCT at the end of my 6 week cycle.

Thanks!

It is usually mostly gone within the first week

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Posted: Apr 24 2004, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (Weightsanyway @ Apr 22 2004, 01:43 PM)
Honestly, you might sacrifice some of the gains you made from you S1+, but I would wait to start the creatine.

The water retention caused by steroids is mostly extracellular. So whether or not you take creatine is not really going to make much difference

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