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 | QUOTE | Vinpo is also a PDE inhibitor of some kind, may be why they are including it in fat loss supps, don't know
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Diet-Induced Fatigue Reduction is really the one main reason IMHO.
| QUOTE | In summary, good oils:
-Fish oil
-Olive oil
-Flaxseed oil
-Hemp oil |
I agree with this wholly and completely (you can add Evening Primrose Oil on here too, but if you're getting enough Fish & Olive Oil it's basically an unnecessary additiion). These are the four oils you should really focus on, and you should REALLY be giving priority to Fish & Olive Oil...
| QUOTE | | I don't know Loki's reasoning - but IMO it would be the other way around if anything, as membrane incorporation will be higher in the hypercaloric state. |
It takes roughly 6g/ED (of Fish Oil, not EPA/DHA) over a period of a few months to get to the point where you consistently have the ligands in EPA (and DHA to a smaller extent) binding to and activating PPAR-alpha on the cellular level in muscles. This is why I consider 6g to the minimum one should consume. Higher levels of fish oil consumption are good for a hypocaloric state because: - less inflammation - a more permeable phospholipid membrane (and you need more fish oil consumption here because being in an energy deficit means there is a higher rate of turnover and N:3s are always oxidized first in such scenarios) means greater RQ and more effective nutrient partitioning. - Increased good PGE2 & PGE3 production When hypercaloric though, you do not want too much fish oil, because you will hinder anabolism because EPA/DHA in high amounts will compete with AA (Arachrondic Acid) during prostaglandin synthesis, and counteracting AA is quite detrimental for mass gains (less than ideal PGE1, less than ideal AA release/response during training will both lead to slight decreases in the adaptive growth response). | QUOTE | | Which do I want? Do I aim for most EPA/DHA or is the total amount of fish oil important? |
Most EPA/DHA per gram of Fish Oil. | QUOTE | | How and when do I want to take it? |
I don't know what your diet/calorie intake is, but start by taking a Tbsp. with your last meal or pre-bed protein shake or whatever. 1-2 Tbsps./day is more than sufficient to begin reaping the benefits of Olive Oil intake. "So next time you [PLINK=4481]see[/PLINK] the homey and his rims spin/ just know my mind is working just like them/ the rims that is..." - S. Carter
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I would go with the Now Omega-3
David Tolson
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| QUOTE (Loki @ Mar 6 2004, 12:45 PM) | | When hypercaloric though, you do not want too much fish oil, because you will hinder anabolism because EPA/DHA in high amounts will compete with AA (Arachrondic Acid) during prostaglandin synthesis, and counteracting AA is quite detrimental for mass gains (less than ideal PGE1, less than ideal AA release/response during training will both lead to slight decreases in the adaptive growth response). |
Not detrimental, but yes it could potentially reduce mass gains - both muscle mass and fat mass. It's just a double-edged sword - everyone is ultra-concerned because COX inhibitors reduced protein syntheses, well they also reduce lipogenesis. However, from a health perspective, increased inhibition of AA is clearly the better option, and I have yet to see evidence that it is rate-limiting to muscle growth in any way - the body exists in a delicate balance, and just because inhibiting something interferes with protein synthesis, doesn't mean increasing it will increase protein synthesis. JMHO - like I said previously, I don't think it's going to make a big difference body comp-wise, either way. I came across an abstract at one point indicating that fish oil was much more effectively incorporated during overfeeding in humans, unfortunately I can't find it right now. David Tolson
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| QUOTE (Jason2459 @ May 8 2008, 04:17 PM) | | Will where you Kaner and had your screen name changed to willpiazza? For some reason it shows this thread and Kaner under your posts? |
Really? Odd. No that's not me. Although one dude in this thread is called "lovetoeat". I should've picked that name!
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Can i buy some Pot from you?
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| QUOTE (evan252075 @ May 5 2008, 08:30 PM) | | Hi I am about 195 5'9/5'10 prolly about 20lbms over weight. I was wondering on what supplements I should include in my diet and a good exersice regimine. Also, I just bought redline and tried it out for a day so far and am noticing a shakey response to only one pill...I think it will go away in a couple of days based on most reviews. Please give me some feed back on this topic. thanks a bunch! |
its designed to create a shivering response in the body.... the theory is you burn a shitload of cal's by shivering. lol Im Not a huge fan of this product. I've used the liquid version in the energy drink section and basically spazzed out like i had parkinsons for an hour. im sure in time it wont effect you the same. I would just use Ephedrine, Yohimbe and caffeine.
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