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NO2s... Anyone heard that using to much glutamine with a NO2, can diminish the effects? I know that ephedrine will, but glutamine? Interested in opinions or facts?

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QUOTE (JAB @ Feb 9 2004, 02:09 PM)
NO2s...  Anyone heard that using to much glutamine with a NO2, can diminish the effects?  I know  that ephedrine will, but glutamine?  Interested in opinions or facts?

got protein?

In my opinion... you don't need NO2. Or glutamine.

However, according to the research I've seen at least, glutamine would have the potential to negate the effect, by blunting eNOS activity. Not sure how significant this effect is though.

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Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage?

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QUOTE (Jay-Win @ Feb 9 2004, 09:35 PM)
Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage?

Assuming the products are effective at increasing NO, it will cause vasodilation which will make your veins pop out, but this doesn't necessarily equate to a real increase in size/strength.

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I've just began using BSN Nitrix and its directions specifically recommend not exceeding 10g glutamine per day, which is about what I'm getting from my whey protein supplement. Hope this helps and good luck!
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man i have read so much shit about NO2 that i would never ever recommend it to anyone. WHen ill find the post about it ill post it here

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I contacted BSN during my first bottle of Nitrix and the rep confirmed that they recommend lowering glutamine consumption according to label directions because "glutamine is a scavanger and it negates the effects of NO".
I got great results from Nitrix, however if you're planning on using any NO enhancer then do some research to determine if the results are worth the risks especially if you have a form of Herpes.
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QUOTE (LM1332 @ Feb 10 2004, 04:33 AM)
man i have read so much shit about NO2 that i would never ever recommend it to anyone. WHen ill find the post about it ill post it here

I truly think that I am one of the few people that got some pretty good results from taking NO type prods for about a year. Essentially, my base weight went up about 10 lbs with minimal inc in bfat (infact, waist line looked a bit leaner). I think that subjective effects from the NO prods are just that, subjective from person to person. However, the vast majority of people seem to have had poor results. I am interested in the new citrulline based prods like Syntrax's Nitrous, but only time will tell....

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Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage?

Assuming the products are effective at increasing NO, it will cause vasodilation which will make your veins pop out, but this doesn't necessarily equate to a real increase in size/strength.

A couple of labs are attempting to figure out the role of NO in skeletal muscle hypertrophy. That's not to say that ingesting NO precursors will have any ergogenic effect upon that hypertrophy but hypertrophy and NOS expression/activity definately seem show some correlation. Dr. Tidball's lab seem to have done a bit more than Dr. Criswell on the subject but Dr. Criswell should have submitted another article by now, I think (saw him talk a lil while ago). Dr. Criswell's article has a few decent links to NO/hypertrophy articles and Dr. Tidball's is a bit newer for more recent stuff.

Again, while they may be correlated, it's yet to be proven that administration of NO precursors, which are also used in the simple removal of ammonia during workouts, will definatively produce any ergogenic effects (at least, to the best of my knowledge...feel free to correct me unsure.gif ).

Involvement of nitric oxide synthase in skeletal muscle adaptation to chronic overload.

Expression of a muscle-specific, nitric oxide synthase transgene prevents muscle membrane injury and reduces muscle inflammation during modified muscle use in mice.
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QUOTE (Cylus @ Feb 10 2004, 02:08 PM)
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QUOTE (Jay-Win @ Feb 9 2004, 09:35 PM)
Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage?

Assuming the products are effective at increasing NO, it will cause vasodilation which will make your veins pop out, but this doesn't necessarily equate to a real increase in size/strength.

A couple of labs are attempting to figure out the role of NO in skeletal muscle hypertrophy. That's not to say that ingesting NO precursors will have any ergogenic effect upon that hypertrophy but hypertrophy and NOS expression/activity definately seem show some correlation. Dr. Tidball's lab seem to have done a bit more than Dr. Criswell on the subject but Dr. Criswell should have submitted another article by now, I think (saw him talk a lil while ago). Dr. Criswell's article has a few decent links to NO/hypertrophy articles and Dr. Tidball's is a bit newer for more recent stuff.

Again, while they may be correlated, it's yet to be proven that administration of NO precursors, which are also used in the simple removal of ammonia during workouts, will definatively produce any ergogenic effects (at least, to the best of my knowledge...feel free to correct me unsure.gif ).

Involvement of nitric oxide synthase in skeletal muscle adaptation to chronic overload.

Expression of a muscle-specific, nitric oxide synthase transgene prevents muscle membrane injury and reduces muscle inflammation during modified muscle use in mice.

The problem is, even after all the signalling mechanisms are figured out, it will still not be clear if the product will actually function, in vivo, as it does in theory - so I think it is best to remain skeptical until results are shown in a clinical study in the appropriate population (resistance training humans).

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I used IDS NP2 a while back, I did not notice the so called "perpetual pump" but I did gain a bit of strength during its usage. The increase of strength though, did not justify the price Tag IMO.

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an interesting view on this topic can be seen in the book "I Don't NO" by Rob Thoburn (spelling?)
He is a regular over at mindandmuscle.net and has a very open mind on supplementation and training advice for anyone who will listen. He also had an article in one of the last Ironman mags about his training concepts. Obviously, his book goes into reasons why NO supps are NOT effective and actually may be conterproductive in his opinion......

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QUOTE (shpongled @ Feb 10 2004, 02:19 PM)
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QUOTE (Jay-Win @ Feb 9 2004, 09:35 PM)
Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage?

Assuming the products are effective at increasing NO, it will cause vasodilation which will make your veins pop out, but this doesn't necessarily equate to a real increase in size/strength.

A couple of labs are attempting to figure out the role of NO in skeletal muscle hypertrophy. That's not to say that ingesting NO precursors will have any ergogenic effect upon that hypertrophy but hypertrophy and NOS expression/activity definately seem show some correlation. Dr. Tidball's lab seem to have done a bit more than Dr. Criswell on the subject but Dr. Criswell should have submitted another article by now, I think (saw him talk a lil while ago). Dr. Criswell's article has a few decent links to NO/hypertrophy articles and Dr. Tidball's is a bit newer for more recent stuff.

Again, while they may be correlated, it's yet to be proven that administration of NO precursors, which are also used in the simple removal of ammonia during workouts, will definatively produce any ergogenic effects (at least, to the best of my knowledge...feel free to correct me unsure.gif ).

Involvement of nitric oxide synthase in skeletal muscle adaptation to chronic overload.

Expression of a muscle-specific, nitric oxide synthase transgene prevents muscle membrane injury and reduces muscle inflammation during modified muscle use in mice.

The problem is, even after all the signalling mechanisms are figured out, it will still not be clear if the product will actually function, in vivo, as it does in theory - so I think it is best to remain skeptical until results are shown in a clinical study in the appropriate population (resistance training humans).

*nods* I was merely pointing out that NOS may have some function other than vasodialation during hypertrophy, not that there is necessarily any benefit from oral NO precursor administration. I am, by no means, a fanboi of NO products smile.gif
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I took MRI's NO2 when it first came out and noticed amazing strenght gains. Everything seemed lighter. After a while though, you have to keep taking more and more and more. So it is not worth the money. Also taking it on an empty stomach was a pain. If anyone here has tried the transdermal NO2s I would love to hear results.
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QUOTE (LM1332 @ Feb 10 2004, 04:33 AM)
man i have read so much shit about NO2 that i would never ever recommend it to anyone. WHen ill find the post about it ill post it here

what have you heard about no2? I am planning on taking some I am just wondering if it is gonna hurt me in someway or is it gonna be beneficial to me? could you or someone email me at melanson104@hotmail.com with some kind of information on what I should expect if I do take this stuff. biggrin.gif ph34r.gif

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i started with a bottle or NO2 by MRI, then switched to pinnacle's brand. noticed more intense pumps, and a strange fatloss effect. it seemed that carbs were being shuttled into muscle cells at a rate/amount greater than normal. so i ate carbs, lost fat, and had great pumps (none of that perpetual pump crap, though). however, i have heard a ton of negative feedback about this stuff. i agree with max, i think it's a supp that is effective only on an individual basis... try it, but if the general consensus is anything to go by, don't expect much.

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