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Posted: Nov 16 2005, 10:08 AM
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I love this stuff! I took 1500 mg. in Gatorade the other night before bed and slept like a baby. The next day I felt calm and collected all day without the haze or confusion that I usually get with Xanax. How often can I dose this before bed without developing a tolerance? The only thing I noticed was some slight stomach discomfort. Are there any other side effects to this stuff in which I am not aware? Is this stuff addictive like a prescription benzo? Thanks guys.
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Posted: Dec 31 2005, 08:53 PM
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This stuff is great, I have a different brand thats precapped for a bit cheaper though, I find 1.5g (i weigh 270 though so most of you could use less im sure) of it makes 3 beers = 6 or so. Don't even think of driving if you take this and have only a couple drinks, it seems to really amplify the loss of coordination from the alcohol which I dont think would be too hot for driving smile.gif Its also very useful for nicotine withdrawal even though I dont see that listed in any of the writeups but there have been studies on gaba agonists lessening nic withdrawal (basically it just gets rid of the edgy bitchy wanna kill everybody feeling when quitting.)
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Posted: Jan 1 2006, 03:33 AM
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For me 1.5g with 3 or 4 vodka drinks messes me up decent. 2 drinks chills me out. If I take 2g and go out drinking for the night (6-12 liquor drinks), I end up with a horrible hangover the next day. One time I took 4g and went out drinking. I ended up so messed up I couldn't remember some of it and I got sick. Start it off with a low dose.
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Posted: Jan 3 2006, 12:09 AM
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I noticed that BN is out of stock on phenibut. Does anyone know when they expect more in?
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Posted: Jan 6 2006, 01:21 PM
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anyone know if it would be safe to take this along with paxil and klonopin i take everyday?
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Posted: Jan 6 2006, 02:17 PM
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anyone?
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Posted: Jan 7 2006, 12:16 PM
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I have taken Klonopin (1 mg) w/ Phenibut. No problems

I also Take Cymbalta & Remeron. Might notice a little dizziness w/ Remeron if I have Phenibut in my system.

Keep in mind that's ME.

Phenibut is back in stock. It's the good stuff. 680 mg per ¼ tsp. The last batch was 550 mg per ¼ tsp.

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Posted: Jan 7 2006, 02:49 PM
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I take Aniracetam as a moderate dose several times a day, and almost every day, partly for nootropic/smart effect, but also partly for anxiety-reduction, for which purpose I find it to be excellent. I seem to have very few tolerance issues re Aniracetam ( i.e. I can take it almost every day, and still enjoy the benefits ). I also feel quite safe/healthy using Aniracetam almost every day, and get no bad side-effects or anything like that.

I've never used Phenibut. Given what I have said above, do you think it probable that I would react in some ways similar to Phen as I do to Anirac? - i.e. can use a moderate dose several times a day for anxiety-reduction, with little tolerance or sides, and would it be a reasonably healthy thing to take a moderate dose of Phen several times a day, as I do with Anirac?

I know reactions to supps are quite individual, but if anyone has any opinions re my questions, re from their own personal experience, or whatever, I'd be interested to hear them.

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Posted: Jan 7 2006, 10:22 PM
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I'm having trouble dosing this stuff. I got the 480mg=1/4 teaspoon. I've done lower then 480mg and felt nothing. Did around 700mg and felt nothing. Around a gram is when I start to feel it's effects. What sucks is the most I took was around 1000-1200mg and I slept great but woke up feeling very dizzy the next day. I use it only on the weekends so far. The only positive effect so far was it's ability to knock me out if I take enough and get much needed rest if I haven't slept well or much.

Does anyone know any other GABA products that pass the blood brain barrier that I can try? This is the first one I've come accross. thanks.

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Posted: Jan 14 2006, 12:58 PM
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Will this stuff show up positive for any substance on a drug test?
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Posted: Jan 14 2006, 02:49 PM
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wow.. wierd thing happend to me the other night. This was after 3 days dosing around 1 gram of phenibut before bed and on the 4th day I took 1.5 grams of Gaba alone late. LIke 2 hours later on that 4th day I got like this head surge and overall un-explainable feeling all over my body. It was seriously almost orgasmic. I was with my girl at the time and I had unbelivable ejaculation controll that night. Seriously felt like I could orgasm on command no matter how excited I was. Few days later without the phenibut or gaba and i'm back to myself having to really concentrate to controll orgasm. What is the deal? I have to mess with other doses and maybe try it longer but this was a unbelievable experience. Mentallly I felt so alert too! Could this be a remedy for premature ejaculation?

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Posted: Jan 14 2006, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (wayne80332 @ Jan 14 2006, 02:49 PM)
wow.. wierd thing happend to me the other night. This was after 3 days dosing around 1 gram of phenibut before bed and on the 4th day I took 1.5 grams of Gaba alone late. LIke 2 hours later on that 4th day I got like this head surge and overall un-explainable feeling all over my body. It was seriously almost orgasmic. I was with my girl at the time and I had unbelivable ejaculation controll that night. Seriously felt like I could orgasm on command no matter how excited I was. Few days later without the phenibut or gaba and i'm back to myself having to really concentrate to controll orgasm. What is the deal? I have to mess with other doses and maybe try it longer but this was a unbelievable experience. Mentallly I felt so alert too! Could this be a remedy for premature ejaculation?

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Posted: Aug 20 2006, 01:51 PM
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I alternate between a ketogenic diet and a low fat, high carb diet, which are pretty much polar opposites, and I found that phenibut is much more effective while I'm eating lots of carbs. Phenibut is a sort of unnatural amino acid, so I suspect that it competes with natural amino acids for crossing the blood-brain barrier. Serum amino acids should be lower on a high carb diet because insulin causes the muscles to absorb AA's from the blood. The effect on phenibut is so pronounced that the stuff is practically useless as a sleep aid when I'm in ketosis and comparable to prescription sleep aids when I'm eating carbs. The anti-anxiety and relaxing effects also last much longer when I'm on the high carb.

As for neutralizing the acidity, I cap it with the calculated amount of baking soda or calcium carbonate. The chemical reaction fizzes out of the capsule inside the stomach, rapidly dispersing the contents for a faster effect. I use 0.39g baking soda or 0.23g calcium carbonate per gram of phenibut. The baking soda version is faster acting, but provides 107mg (4.6%DV) of sodium per gram of phenibut dose. Note that phenibut is actually phenibut HCl (that's why it's acidic), so the formula is C10H14NO2Cl and the molar mass is 215.6. Baking soda is NaHCO3 with molar mass 84.01, and calcium carbonate is CaCO3 with molar mass 100.09. a molecule of baking soda reacts with 1 of phenibut HCl, and one of calcium carbonate reacts with 2 of phenibut HCl, so the amounts I use are stoichiometric.
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Posted: Aug 20 2006, 10:22 PM
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is it better than beer?

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Posted: Aug 20 2006, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (cc-10 @ Aug 20 2006, 08:22 PM)
is it better than beer?

not a chance...i'm not getting much from it... though i have been on a low carb... and dude stated above that it effects one on a keto diet differently
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Posted: Aug 21 2006, 02:01 PM
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it's better then beer for me. I used to drink a lot a couple of years ago and my brain doesn't function off alcohol the same. I used to drink and be so happy and so social and just be myself when I did. Now I get a slight happy feeling after 2 beers for 15 minutes and thats it. Doesn't matter how much I drink after that. I mostly get depressed after drinking too. I try to avoid it anymore. It doesn't nothing good for me.

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Posted: Aug 21 2006, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (wayne80332 @ Aug 21 2006, 12:01 PM)
it's better then beer for me. I used to drink a lot a couple of years ago and my brain doesn't function off alcohol the same. I used to drink and be so happy and so social and just be myself when I did. Now I get a slight happy feeling after 2 beers for 15 minutes and thats it. Doesn't matter how much I drink after that. I mostly get depressed after drinking too. I try to avoid it anymore. It doesn't nothing good for me.

thats not such a bad problem to have
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Posted: Aug 21 2006, 07:19 PM
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THe way I dose it when I'm going to have a couple of drinks, is take one cap (500mg) every hour until I feel the effects of the alcohol and Phenibut....

You'll be alright for the rest of the night...

For me, there's usually a 2-3 hour delay in the effect, depending on how many times I've recently took it before.
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Posted: Aug 21 2006, 07:24 PM
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Looks like BN just started carrying Primaforce Phenibut.

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Posted: Aug 21 2006, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (alexoc949 @ Aug 21 2006, 05:36 PM)
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it's better then beer for me. I used to drink a lot a couple of years ago and my brain doesn't function off alcohol the same. I used to drink and be so happy and so social and just be myself when I did. Now I get a slight happy feeling after 2 beers for 15 minutes and thats it.  Doesn't matter how much I drink after that. I mostly get depressed after drinking too. I try to avoid it anymore. It doesn't nothing good for me.

thats not such a bad problem to have

yea.. it helps me be healthier but also more tempted towards drugs/marijuana. Haven't gone that route though and don't plan too. Phenibut is the only drug i'll use.. lol.

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