Brahmabull has spoken-RRARRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If You are Under 21 and Considering PH/AAS use... |
Bulk Nutrition Forums > Hormone/Prohormones |
| Posted by: shpongled May 29 2005, 01:26 AM |
| Using prohormones or steroids under the age of 21 is a very bad idea. Why? During this age, your body and brain are still developing. Even if you have reached your adult height and have all of your secondary sex characteristics, it is very possible that you still haven't fully matured. This is especially the case with the brain, which may not be fully matured until the mid-20's. Sex hormones have significant effects on both physical and mental development. Thus, altering your sex hormone profile during development may irreversibly alter your physical and mental characteristics. One of the possibilities is premature closure of growth plates. Steroids/prohormones not only increase the levels of anabolic hormones in your body, they also have a vast range of other biological effects, including a shut down of the body's natural mechanism of testosterone production. Those who tell you that it has been proven that steroids will stunt your growth, make you impotent in your mid-20's, and so on, are wrong. However, this is only because there really isn't all that much research in this area, and there are certainly many potential reasons why steroid use during development could cause such problems, along with other ones. So, the real problem is that you have no way of knowing if what you are doing is safe. The fact that your friend ran a cycle and didn't have problems doesn't mean anything. He can't tell the future, and may experience problems later in life. Given the multitude of risks, if you choose to use steroids or prohormones at an early age, you are playing with fire. While it is your risk to take, if you ask a question about underage PH/AAS use, don't be surprised if everyone just tells you how stupid you are. There is no way to do it safely. |
| Posted by: DR X May 29 2005, 10:33 PM |
| Finally! This is required reading for everyone. |
| Posted by: Nicholas18644 May 30 2005, 08:40 PM |
| The post by Kingofmasters... http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=118196 FPot66 |
| Posted by: Dim Ajna Jun 1 2005, 02:26 PM |
| Thanks for considering my suggestion. Im glad to see this sticky and I think it will help with the repetitive questions a little. |
| Posted by: jeff60155 Sep 13 2005, 12:19 AM |
| We should get some thoughst from mods on all these guys who give advice after their great cycles that take max bench from 225 to 250 and squats from 250 to 300. I think they ruin their potential for real growth as much as the young guys. I can't believe if one squats under 350 or benches under 300, they need ph's instead of food. I know this si kind of a soft site, but still, sometimes it is a little ridiculous whe I see posts from 18 year olds that list their max curl weight as one of their benchmark measurements. |
| Posted by: Nicholas18644 Sep 13 2005, 09:28 AM |
| What are we supposed to do, we are not their parents. We are simply here to moderate offensive material as well as give advice. Most of our advice for people is to put off hormones...if they want to do them then they are going to do them and there is nothing we can do about it. We are not going to go around deleting posts because their bench press max isn't high enough. Fpot66 |
| Posted by: lydon16 Sep 18 2005, 04:30 PM |
| FPOt is a smart man....there really isn't any way to stop someone from taking the stuff if thats what they have their mind set on. If they think it will be an easy way to gain weight and strength without doing correct routines, proper diets, and good rest then they're going to be lazy and take the stuff....eventually they'll realize that it doesn't help as much as it says it will...I learned from experience and i'm not going to take anything else, i wish i had listened to you mods in the first place. |
| Posted by: Mafiozo Dec 11 2005, 12:43 AM |
| The END |
| Posted by: brahmabull Jan 18 2006, 10:35 PM |
| I agree with the rest of the folks. We as adults cannot stop kids from taking roids and oral hormones to increase their size, strength, mass, and density. But, look at it this way, maybe these kids who ask if they should take these prohormones and super strong supplements are nothing close to normal or average build. They could be kids who have been teased and humiliated because of the way look. They're either too skinny or too fat. Hell, some of these kids could be smaller than high school chics they're height or age. Now, that's embarrassing! What's wrong with being able to experience just once in their lifetime what it feels like to be some big, strong, lean solid brotha with veins that pop out of their forearms like road maps and triceps that hang off their shirts like slabs of beef. For some of us who criticize them for wanting to get jacked, we may never have experienced what its like to be some buck o five dude. So, we have no room to say at all whether these kids can take them or not. If it just gives them just a short time to be the man, then I say go for it. At least 20 years down the road with these guys they can say, "Yeah, I took some stuff to make me jacked like a freakin bull. And if I didn't when the opportunity was there for me I'd probably regret it for the rest of my life. As long as it isn't abused and not hurting others, there is nothing wrong about it. Just make sure that once you decide, you'll have to live with any consequences that will happen to you later down the road. Life is about equal exchange. In order to attain something, one must give something up of equal value. Brahmabull has spoken-RRARRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Posted by: Slayer of Souls Jan 18 2006, 10:54 PM |
| I strongly disagree with what you said. Firstly, AAS is not a replacement for a solid diet and training program. It takes determination and dedication to gain solid muscle mass, and it can be done. The reasons posted above are because of potential physiological problems that can develop with supplementing with exogenous hormones at an early age. Most of the teens that request information don’t implement a proper diet or training routine. Hence will make minimal progress with steroids. Have a look at some of the members on this forum who have come a long way with a proper diet and training routine, italionstallionl for one. Hormones wont resolve psychological issues. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Jan 18 2006, 10:55 PM |
| Not that I endorse giving kids steroids, but the topic starter is not entering uncharted waters. There are tens of hundreds of studies done on adolescents using steroids (oxandrolone for example). It was common practice back in the day to give anabolic non-aromatizing steroids to pre-teens/teens to spurn growth of the long bones. It was largely stopped because of political pressures. |
| Posted by: Superjew18 Jan 18 2006, 11:24 PM |
| to be honest, i thought about using phoromones. then i found this forum and to be rather blunt, i got educated. i dont think that any of that stuff is the answer. maybe it was the way i was brought up, but id rather eat everything in sight, work my ass off in the gym, and take creatine and protein than risk my liver, test levels, or even life. i used to be tiny. end of school last year, i was 16, weighd 143 and was 6'1. now im 6'2, and i weigh 167. im still not exactly a big guy, but no one makes fun of me or picks on me either. its all about determination. if being made fun of bothers someone enough to want to take steroids at the highschool age, then it bothers them enough to get their ass in the gym and work. ***this is in no way meant to be a rant against all steroids...just under age use : ) |
| Posted by: John b Mar 6 2006, 12:49 AM |
| yea, i know 3 of my friends that are on roids right now, and yea it works for them, i asked them why they take it obvisously to get bigger, but they say they feel pressured almost, because were all football friends or w\e and they say that every body at school recongize you and expect you to perform well or w\e, and that our two head coaches are on roids to so, i definitely think that us "kids" take roids because we want to change become more popular ect. but for me im far from that shit, im even scared to take creatine lol..... just my .02 opinoin. I mean its a choice in life you have to make and can affect you for the rest of your life, we shouldnt call people stupid or w\e for making their choices, im sure there aware of the consequences. |
| Posted by: IMaSculpture Apr 11 2006, 11:41 AM |
| Hey everyone, I am a male who just turned 21. I have been weight lifting seriously for about 18 months now and stick to a precise and strict diet plan. I have taken many creatine products including Vitargo, Mono, and CEE as standalones but also in conjunction with NO boosters. Even while bulking I struggle to put on mass in my "hard-gaining" areas (IE Biceps & Triceps). Because I am now 21, I was considering doing a cycle of Halodrol-50. Fortunately I have the mental capacity to realize how important research and preparation is for such a decision. The trouble is that no matter what diet I seem to follow or what supplements I take in accordance to a proper weigh-lifting regimen, I still struggle to make noticeable gains. My back, chest, and lat grew quite rapidly during the beginning of my routine over a year ago, and yet my arms look almost identical. In any case, this is my request for some sound advice. Would a Halodrol cycle be a bad idea? Or would it be worth a shot? If I did so I would purchase copious amounts of milk thistle, as well as at least 2 variants of natural testosterone boosters for the PCT (i will probably still take the milk thistle during PCT, just to be safe). Thanks for giving this a look. |
| Posted by: tuck110 Jul 16 2006, 06:20 PM |
| would the use of hadrol 50 stunt your hight if im 17 ? |
| Posted by: magoo202 Jul 16 2006, 06:39 PM | ||
The use of any steroid (Halodrol included) at 17 could stunt your growth. |
| Posted by: brahmabull Oct 9 2006, 06:37 PM |
| Hello...this is the brahmabull. And this is a excerpt out of my life with regard to the use of anabloics, prohormones, and pro-steroids. Back in 1996, androstenedione came out and the whole supplement world was changed from BCAA's and crappy protein powder to over the counter anabolics. It started a wave of different types of andros that ressembled such anabolic agents such as nandrolone and low-grade test. I partook in the wave of andros that swept the bodybuilding world for last few years. Different combonations produced different results in size, strength, mass, definition, cut, and fat loss. But, that was just the beginning....fat burners that were 5-10x stronger than amphetimines were readily available to the consumer. Also, thyroid supplements hit the market that clearly ressembled t-2 and t-3 made life for a natural bodybuilder very easy. Although natural bodybuilders thought they were just "supplements", they were actual pseudo-supplements that ressembled real anabolics. I was one of those unfortunate souls who bought into the marketing hype of "no side effects". This long term use led me to big muscles and low body fat. But, it almost destroyed my liver and kidneys and caused my heart to go into failure. Yes, I cycled as directed. Yes, my diet was clean and yes, no other mixing of other drugs entered my blood stream. So, now, I no longer take these supplements to develop size and strength or fat loss. My heart is shot and the risk of my life outweighs the benefits. So, for those of you who have not gotten checked out but, believe "i feel fine...there's nothing wrong with me", do not kid yourself. Get a real exam and not just a blood test. Believe me...you may be amazed at how much damage has been to your organs and to your life. The bull has spoken. |
| Posted by: testosteronee Dec 7 2006, 05:37 PM |
| OK let me see if i understand, it says that people under 21 shouldnt take any prohormones like halodrol-50 orastan E etc because of the shut dowm of the hormones, how about using good pct like formadrol extreme, vitrix or 6-oxxo, would that be enought after a cycle of halodrol-50 if im 18 years old? is infertility a possible side effect? what other possible side effects could appear? |
| Posted by: Oz_s Apr 13 2007, 02:12 AM |
| This post was very use full, as I convinced a 19 year old freind of mine to not to try a PH untill he is the right age.... |
| Posted by: DB1988 Apr 29 2007, 11:05 PM |
| i would just like to say thanks i read this and decided not to take prohormones at 18. my whole life i have been bigger and stronger than most guys i meet. a year ago i started lifting now i am even bigger. but i started to falter and think i needed prohormones. these posts helped me to realize i have more genetic potential than most. if i mess it up with prohormones i risk my dreams. i'll stick to eating, vitamins, lifting hard and praying. thanks again. oh, and someday you'll see me in the wsm championships because of my smart choice. |
| Posted by: BigBadGreekdude Apr 30 2007, 07:47 AM |
| Your thinking is correct, and I commend you.. However, these designers are not crack and they are not gonna ruin your life.. Just wait til around 26 or so if you decide if ever to take them. I am over 30 and have never taken any for similar reasons. I do not compete, but there is just no reason for someone my age...in my opinion.. to take them and deal with all the sides. |
| Posted by: belligerentscott Apr 30 2007, 03:05 PM |
| Im 20, and am thinking about taking Novedex xt or 6 oxo this summer, that should be fine right? since its not actually bringing in test. from an outside source? |
| Posted by: Oz_s May 2 2007, 11:31 AM |
| hey the 6-oxo/nolvadex/clomid should be able to free up some test. I am not Doctor on this but with what ever limited knowledge i have out of my research i think it will help. I am going to posting my pics with start and ending info, i am starting a stack of my own 1. Zeuz(test booster) 2. ZMA 3. EStrodex and Nolvadex( not both at the same time but in order) 5.Nitrix oxide by PVL. This is on top of Protien and a very good organic multivitamin(nutralite Douyble X) the stack should last me 4-6 weeks..but i will poast every 1 or 2 weeks. |
| Posted by: Mr.H May 2 2007, 01:39 PM |
| Interesting points of view. However I don´t trust in hormones, They are dangerous, doesn´t matter your age.http://urlfreeze.com/1/L-dee/ |
| Posted by: Matcantar May 13 2007, 03:57 PM |
 OK so i read about all these PHs and im willin to risk the use of them....so where do you buy them since they are banned.....if u do not want to post it send it to ieatironplates@hotmail.com |
| Posted by: atilla May 14 2007, 03:55 PM |
| i have a question about lg siencces m1d, can it be jousted at the same time with halodrol ?? |
| Posted by: Zeckard May 28 2007, 10:58 PM |
| Rebirth....Previous user of the good medicine, also used prohormones. I am training again and need some assitance. I am 265 kept much of my size from the other stuff that I used, but needing advice on what is out there now that works fairly well. I know everything is banded now, but can I get some help to what I can get to increase strength and harden up a bit. |
| Posted by: Battousai Jun 3 2007, 01:31 PM |
| im 20 years old, so im still a year off from thinking about using pro-hormones, but i got a question. i've always been "late", so to speak, in my development. i hit puberty later than most guys, i lost my baby teeth later, im still growing even at this age. i talked to my doctor about it and he said i would probly keep growing until i was 23. so does this mean i should also put off thinking about pro-hormones until 23 instead of 21? |
| Posted by: Grunge Oct 14 2007, 12:32 AM | ||
infertility is one sure side-effect of using PH's at an early age... ACTUALLY NOT really INFERTILITY but BIRTH DEFECTS are a sure thing to happen. (if you deside to have kids later in life... they'll have birth defects for sure). BUT! Ecdysterone does NOT mess w/ your hormone system... so it's EVEN SAFE FOR TEENAGERS TO USE! but the Turkasterone or whatever ARE NOT safe to use, due to the fact that they DO alter your homone system... & thats where the damage starts. |
| Posted by: Doogsy Oct 14 2007, 05:38 AM |
| Just a quick question - Jungle Warfare and 6-oxo is this suitable for someone who is 18? I know JW contains a pro-steroid. |
| Posted by: Ducktoe69x Oct 14 2007, 11:59 AM | ||
Well 6-oxo I'm not sure of Doogsy...but Jungle warfare would be a big ol no sir. Even though it's not putting any "outside Test" into your body, it is still changing the natural levels of test and estro production. This is still changing your endocrine hormonal release and for someone who hasn't fully formed their endocrine system, it wouldn't be worth the risk. Some of the side effects that occur later in life due to endocrine system problems include obesity, thyroid disease, and diabetes. It just doesn't seem worth the trouble of adding a little muscle now and dealing with that when your older. Remember, as you get older, it will become harder and harder to lose excess fat and to keep yourself in good shape (due to your bodies organs not working as well as when you are younger). Just something to chew on....I couldnt' find anything about 6-OXO though, Check that out....I honestly think it might be ok to use, but DO NOT go off my assumption. |
| Posted by: Doogsy Oct 14 2007, 12:02 PM | ||||
Thanks alot Dude - info assimilated! Anyone else have any extra info? |
| Posted by: jtbmoore Dec 31 2007, 04:46 PM | ||
This is a great point. If you can not get to 350 on a squat or 300 on a bench you need to look at diet and routine---period!!!! |
| Posted by: fsm865 Mar 6 2008, 01:11 PM | ||
dude if your 17 dont even think about taking that obvosly you arent going to listen to me and your gonna do what you want but yes it probably stunt your growth and do other things to you like liver problems kidney,heart,high colesteral and dont think it cant hapen to you cause your young i know 15 year olds that have high colesteral my little brothers friend....... look if you gonna take it at an early age at leats wait till your 18 that im not telling you to take it your gonna do what you want but you shoud know when YOU HIT 20 YRS OLD AND YOU REACH A PLATUE AND WANA GET THROUGH IT YOUL PROBABLY BE THAT SIZE FOREVER HENCE IF YOU DONT DO A PROHORMONE WHEN YOU HIT 21,22,23 YOU WILL BE EVEN BIGGER CAUSE YOU DONE STOP GROWING TILL THAT AGE....... YEA YOU STOP GETTING TALLER AT LIKE 18,19 BUT YOUR MUSCLES KEEP GROWING TILL 23 NOW IF YOU DO A PROHORMONE YOUR GONNA THROW THAT ALL AWAY SO DO WHAT YOU WANT SLOW YOUR GROWT PROCESS |
| Posted by: fsm865 Mar 10 2008, 09:12 AM | ||
i totaly agree |
| Posted by: nikoli Jul 15 2008, 10:22 PM |
| just don't take it, i say. |
| Posted by: alexander27 Sep 22 2008, 10:55 AM |
| YEP! |
| Posted by: alexander27 Sep 22 2008, 10:55 AM |
| MHMM |
| Posted by: Jor EL Sep 22 2008, 12:40 PM |
are you people even looking at the dates of these posts!  |