Hey guys I just started using Xtreme formulations's new anti-gyno treatment called "Prevent". I'm not on any kinda pro-steroid cycle right now but figured that this product may help me get rid of puffy nipples that i acquired during puberty. I don't have any kind of hard lump under the nipple. I think it is mostly fatty tissue caused by estrogen though. So I have been cutting for the past month. Started prevent on april 23rd. Does anybody know how much 6-oxo and formestane are in this product? I'm having trouble deciding how I want to dose it. Right now I am doing 5 squirts on each nipple once a day in the morning. Do these products have a long half life....in other words do i need to apply twice daily to see results? The maximum dose is 20 squirts/day and if i applied twice daily i would be at the max dose (shouldn't need max dose to see results right! ). It also says that 5 squirts per nipple is the minimum dose however. I realize this is a new product but if anyone has any good info it would be very helpful. ill keep yall posted on results too!

thanks
justin

come on guys, some has to have some answers here, or at least some kind of relative input...

thanks
justin

I'm no expert on gyno Justin, but since no one else is helping you, I'll tell you what I know. I have ALWAYS heard once you have gyno, there's no way to get rid of it save under the knife. I suspect this product is developed for those who are developing gyno due to PH use.

6OXO and Formestane block the production of estrogen, but gyno can come from progesterone and in that event, neither of these products will prevent gyno. Therefore they can not be acting on the actual gyno tissue itself, but rather effect one of it's causes.

However, you may not have gyno, but rather just plain fat on your chest. In which case Lipo-derm (or some product aimed at sub-Q fat) may well do the trick.

I'd forget the Xtreme and try attacking the fat.

Ronn

ive got gyno left over from puberty and i have been using prevent as kind of an experiment (not ready to spend the money to get it removed yet). it definately seems to be shrinking the tissue (i not only have tissue underneath the nipple but also in the surrounding area). it shrinks the nipples pretty good for awhile, eventually tho the shrinking becomes almost painful.

one downside i just realized with this stuff, it stains clothes! i wore a white shirt the other day (luckily i had an overshirt on too), took it off and there were giant yellow stains all over the shirt. very pissed about this, cuz there are no warnings about it staining clothes (the old beta version supposedly stained the skin too). so be warned!

I stand corrected.

How long have you been using it and do you feel it will eventually element all "noticeable" gyno, or is there a point where even diminishing returns stops altogether? And --here's a subjective question for you--what percentage would you say it reduced you're gyno (50%? More?).

Thanks for chiming in!

Ronn

you know now that im looking at it after being off it for around 36 hours, i look like i used to. before, i was using around 8 sprays per nip per day, 4 morning 4 night, and it seemed to be working. now tho, im not so sure. with me usually i see what i want to see. unfortunately i dunno. my plan is to use the whole bottle and see how it turns out. one thing that i can definately say it is doing, is im forming little scabby tissue on the nips. dunno why, but i plan on keeping the dosing up.

see with me is that theres gyno tissue, puffy nips but also a good deal of just plain ole fat. seemed like it was becoming more fat-like instead of tissue like.

my responses shouldnt be taken scientifically; i have no way of measuring fat (no calipers) and no way of measuring tissue because theres alot of it all over the place (not just under the nip, under and around in maybe a 3-4 inch diameter).


if it doesnt work, it doesnt work. after i ifinish the bottle tho ill update, but at the moment i dont see it eliminating anything.

Well this is an intereting thread. I have read that some very progressive doctors have prescribed arimidex for a long duration to treat minor gyno with some success. The key here is that this is arimidex the big poppashongo of aromatase inhibitors and the term of the treatment was quite long. Now the question to ask is if this helped treat the gyno directly or just made for a higher-test environment where fat loss would be more easily achived, and thus reduced overall bodyfat and as a consequence the fat around the nipple was reduced.
In my own personal experience I beleive that some of us guys are just more estrogenic and have a natural case of minor gyno. I have had puffy nipple all my life whereas my roomate seems to always have nipple-itis (to the point where he must wear undershirts). I tried using 6-OXO (300mg/d for 60 days) for the natural test increase and lo and behold I had some interesting sides: My overall bodyfat was greatly reduced, my underlying BPH (benign prostate hyperplastia) pretty much dissapeared, and my nipples became much less puffy. I did this cycle twice and the most interesting thing was that the BPH dissapeared which I thought would not be the case as the test my body was now producing would be converted to DHT not estrogen...maybe DHT isn't such a bad guy after all.
All things aside I would recommend anyone with an underlying post-pubescent case of minor gyno try the low-dose 6-OXO approach for 60 days. But please note that reducing your estrogen will make your blood lipid levels (cholesterol) take a turn for the worse so any precaution that may need to be taken should.
Good luck guys.

Very interesting; especially about the prostate! I've had a minor case of gyno since childhood myself--but it was never really noticeable...until I got fat. I take it you're gyno is still gone/significantly reduced even after you've stopped the cycle?

I think I might try that (though I might use 6OXO at 100mgs transdermally as I currently take 7OXO that way--just mix up a batch of both).

Aside from high doses of fish oil, what have you used to control cholesterol on such long 6OXO cycles?

Thanks

Ronn

Well yes aside from fish oil....diet and exercise. I increase cardio and decrease saturated fat intake. Also of note is that I always taper off 6-OXO...I just start skipping days and lower the dose, but I keep about 300-600mg's around just in case I get some freaky estrogen rebound. It seems like the gyno is gone permanently...I can't really seem to get fat (by eating tonnes of shit) and the prostate is one happy mofo.

can you elaborate on your skipping days part? do you mean at the end of a 60 day cycle? do you have to continually do this kind of cycling, or is it somewhat permanent? did you get acne? thanks

Well when I used the 6-OXO I would buy three bottles which works out to being 60 days at 300mg/day. I would take the three caps regularly before bed every night. When I was most of the way through the last bottle I would take it every other day, then after 3 on days (6 real days) I'd take it every other other day for a couple more doses. Then I would reduce it to 200mgs twice a week for the last week, and I would try to make sure I had some left over just in case my body decided I should turn into a woman.
I didn't have any acne...at least not more than the usual occasional zit. And it appears that it is somewhat permanent, however I believe this to be caused by the fat loss I experienced. There is quite a bit of evidence suggesting that adipose tissue (fat) is a feeding ground for aromatase, so if you have a low body fat level there is less tissue where this activity is occuring, thus I went off the 6-OXO but maintained my lowed body fat levels through diet and exercise and my nips are less puffy as a result. Now this last bit might have just explained the whole process. It might not have been an estrogenic issue, it might have just been that my body likes to store fat around my nipples and by reducing my bodyfat there is less fat for my body to store at those perky sites. Perhaps all you guys need to do to reduce the puffyness in you nipples is reduce the puffyness of your whole body, in which case diet and exercise and perhaps a fat burner will do the trick.

word, sounds like something ill try during the summer, thanks for the info. by the way, i was doign some research. you can get the generic atrione caps from black star labs (same stuff as 6-oxo) for cheaper price. they also have a discount for buying 3+. so 3 from BSL would be ~75 while 3 of 6-oxo from anyplace would be 100+. just FYI. BN doesnt carry caps, but they carry the powder if you have a cap em quick. youd need 18 grams of powder for a 60 day cycle, which would cost ~68 w/o shipping.

Hey Big Red Machine, I am a little worried about gyno. Here's the deal. I am at the end of a cycle 20days on/ 2weeks off 18days on and stopping a little short. I will take at least a month off. I have been taking 5mg M1t/20mg M14ad ED. I didn't have any gyno signs at the end of the first oncycle but about a week ago (2nd week of 2nd on cycle) I started to notice a little bit of nipple puffyness and some hard tissue under the nipple. The hard tissue might be normal (some kind of gland). It is smaller than a penny, but I know the puffyness is new. I am very lean (8-9% Bf) so I noticed it right away. What surprised me is it seemed to happen overnight. I had some 6oxo for PCT so I started taking it immediatly. That was last Sunday, but I haven't noticed any reduction yet.

How long do you think it will take to see some reduction. I ordered some e-form and will start taking it to when it gets here.

Also, could this just be due to waterweight? I started taking creatine during the second oncycle. I would appreciate advice or assurance from anyone who has been in a similar situation.

Since I don't want to pretend to be some sort of "anti-gyno guru" I don't want to make a suggestion without knowing all the facts...seeing boold work pre / post etc...as well as body comp & water analysis, but I'd think it would be smart to stop taking any sort of ph/ps/aas immediately upon seeing any signs of gyno and load up on anti-e supplements and drugs. Gyno sucks, be smart and don't let it happen to you. Just so you know....M14ad is as far as I know a d-bol like drug and d-bol is notorious for raising estrogen (it actually aromatizes into a sort of super-estrogen).
I don't think it is water weight if you are feeling a gland enlargement but if you think so stop with the creatine, and for the anti-e stuff to work on the enlarged gland estrogen levels will have to be supressed for quite some time....like months.

I stopped the ph's. I have been taking 6oxo all week and I finally got some e-form today. I plan on taking both for a while and see what happens. Thanks

After watching this thread since it's inception, I am considering--as part of a weight-loss, anti-gyno cycle--adding 4 grams of 60X0 into a bottle of E-Form and running a 30 day cycle of this mixture, followed by 30 days of 6OXO alone. It would seem this stack would be highly repressive to estrogen while maintaining a high-test environment. Since the PH in E-form is only a mild androgen, it would seem natural test suppression would be at a minimum (and well treated PCT with the 30 days of 6OXO following). Though not particularly good at mass building, it would seem very useful in cutting AND attacking the post-adolescent gyno those of us following this thread seem to be concerned about.

Two bottle of E-Form should supply a 4+ week cycle. Any thoughts (knowing no-one here is a an anti-gyno guru )
?

Ronn

I think I read that E-Form is steroidal and can keep your body suppressed, so its not recommended during PCT only for On-Cycle to control estrogen. Im no expert but if I was in your shoes I would go the Nolva route.

Just my 2Cnts

Good luck

oops, last post directed at mh03, my bad