I recently started a bottle of this, and will be able to give direct comparisons to
Metaburn XTP, which I just finished (BTW, metaburn = not much energy, but nice, and non-stim fat burning effect)
I can definitly say, at the max dose (2 pills, 2 x per day on empty stomouch) = no energy or NRG.....LOL
A couple of weeks will tell in terms of fat loss, if any
Hot Rox worked quite nicely for me, and Mike has it for almost half of the previous price someone threw out in last post, but Hot Rox was based more on 7 keto and gugglesterones z and e IMO....
Also, I have said this in previous threads....until Avant's new fat burner is released, I still thing the best non CNS stimulating stack is:
900-1000 mg beta 3 per day (6-10 pills depending on which formula)
3-4
MM43-4 gugglebolic extreme
hope that helps