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 No water gain, you should like it...nothing but TWISTED STEEL.  Seriously this is a good product gives you a good hard pump. Bob
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i've used all of the creatine volumizers including the old V12 and all with similar results. they will give you good pumps and vascularity, but you have to have good muscles and low bf 15%< in order to see the effects. i've noticed that you need to give it at least 10 days for the pumps to kick in. i also got some strength gains and weight gains but those didn't happen till 3-4weeks down the line. So overall in addition to awesome loooking pumps in the gym, i usually gain about 4 lbs of lean muscle in 6-8weeks. good stuff, but don't expect miracles especially if you're a newbie.
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well i do know that you can not/ are supposed to not use any ephedrine product with a hemodilator ( nitrix in particular) and it has dicreatine malate (dont see the big difference besides a little molecular change) and aakg v12 turbo has 2 of the same products. so i am guessing that v12 is a hemodilator and volumizer which is essentially what nitrix does, obviously with a few different effects added. so i would say to not do it, you would probably get some results still, maybe just a little more diminished. just kind of an educated guess. someone else will probably know for sure.
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| QUOTE (beefcake @ Jun 2 2004, 02:45 PM) | | V12 uses tri-creatine malate and not monohydrate. Since there is no water molecule attached to the malate, there will be no subcontaneous water retention. |
The water retention is not due to the "monohydrate." Creatine mono quickly becomes creatine and a small amount of water when it enters the body. Similarly, TCM quickly becomes creatine and malic acid in the body. Any time of creatine will cause you to hold water. Which is good, it is anabolic, and one of the reasons creatine works.
David Tolson
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v12 turbo
