I looked at halodrol, promagnon and the old pro turanabol from gaspari and the only thing that is similar from any of those and oxyguno is that it has the 4-chloro at the front. Other than that it is totally different.

So the hemaguno, ar e you saying it is the EXACT same compound as epistane or just very similar?

The oxyguno does look very interesting. I have had a lot of success with all 4-chloro products that I have used in the past so I am pretty curious about this one. I wonder how thse two would stack together?

Trust me they are identical, organic chemistry is my forte and there are multiple ways to say things. IUPAC allows for different ways of doing things. For instance you could use the term -ol to signify an alcohol such as ethanol or you could use the term hydroxy, which shows the position of the alcohol, both are accepted, both are used at different times.

Frankly they are using the other version (we have switched as well) to get rid of the word Androstane, brings nothing but negative attention by the people who want to bring things compounds into the ban, know what I mean?

I wouldn't say ANY oral is "good" on cholesterol levels but of course some are definitely more generous. Epistane is definitely one of those supplements that is very forgiving on the cholesterol levels and liver, so that is a plus. I don't know enough about this new 4-chloro compound to give a definitive answer. There are a lot of people who are doubting its purity since the synthesis methods needed to make this compound involve using bacteria and I am not sure if there are any other methods for it. I am not saying it "isn't" pure I am just saying it is very difficult and expensive. Hats off to the company if they did it though.

I am not sure how harsh the compound is really. You can't tell how harsh something is on your body until you try it unfortunately. The numbers on it look good as far as anabolic and androgenic values (high anabolism, low androgenic), but the results were done on rats back in the 60's so it is really hard to say.

Luckily with Epistane we alpha tested it over a year ago and ran high dosages for 6 weeks to see how it affected lipids and other values so we knew it was a winner. Until someone gets blood work on the oxy I would not recommend stacking anything just yet.

Heck Epistane is mild enough on your body that you could run it by itself then when more logs/blood work comes out on the other you could always stack them then or whatever.

My diet is 2,000 cals higher than before per day with most of it, about 400g, coming from good proteins like whey isolates.<br><br>I am also taking Liver Longer and X-Factor too. I'm wondering if the X-Factor somehow amplified the effects of Hemaguno because I read a post somewhere from Molecular that X-Factor increased AR sensitivity or something like that.<br><br>I'm going to run this for 30 days and I just ordered a bottle of Oxyguno. I think I will cross over to it as soon as I get the bottle and do both Hema and Oxy until I run out of Hema and then finish with the Oxy. I hope to get 45 days out of this stack and if I am lucky 20 pounds of pure muscle mass with some fat loss.<br><br>Hemaguno is top shelf. The local nutrition store near the gym is sold out of them. They got a dozen sold them and got a dozen more and sold them too. I asked if they were gonna get more in and they said its sold out. They are waiting for their Oxyguno and I did not want to chance it being sold out so I got it online.<br><br>The Hema is getting to be popular in my gym. Unfortunately there is no Havoc where I live and I was a little buggy about buying this stuff online. I'm not so sure my purchase of Oxyguno online was such a smart idea but my emotions got the best of me!<br><br>I do not trust what is in Epistane. Maybe it is real maybe not but PA returned his bottle to IBE and thats enough for me. <br><br>Hemaguno works well at 2 tablets a day and it also leaves your breath minty fresh!<br><br>Bolo Cholo<br><br>

Thanks for posting all of this. This is what I was looking for, an update or some info from someone who has used to product. Keep us updated on here about the remainder of your cycle of both. Do you happen to have before cycle pics and can you take after cycle pics so we can also see the progress? What are you stats (height, weight, age, experience with PH/AAS and lifting)?

I prefer to keep my information private so I am not posting pics or running a log. However, I did start the switch over to Oxyguno two days ago. I am using 3 of them per day with 2 Hemaguno too and I did drop my calories down by 500 total. Could be me, dunno but I woke up this morning feeling much tigther under the skin and I woke up with the veins in my forearms and biceps popping out. I feel great. I mean I felt really good on Hemaguno but adding the Oxyguno really worked for my overall energy feelings. Its almost like NYC stack without the jitters and piss problems.<br><br>I did notice the Oxyguno after only two days. Not sure this will do much for adding a lot of mass or strength but I have a feeling this will be the best cutting product I have seen since I did a Primo/Anavar stack before a show two years ago.<br><br>Someone somewhere compared Oxyguno to Anavar and thats a great comparison. Taking the 3 Oxyguno feels almost identical to when I used 50mg of Anavar. Same effects of mood and that amazing tightness with freaky vascularity.<br><br>I can't wait to get into the gym today to train back and biceps.<br><br>Thinking of switching directions here a little and want some advice. I was planning on trying to get a lot of mass out of these two products. But after using Hemaguno for 3 weeks and finding out that Oxyguno is essentially legal Anavar I do not think this is a mass stack. So I am thinking maybe I should add in some Orastan A or Mega Zol to this and go for a massive recomp or cut.<br><br>If I could drop 4%-5% fat and not lose any overall size this would be worth it.<br>I just do not see me getting the mass gains I want from any of these.<br><br>Anyone think this is a better idea? I was going to start cutting a little later on after this stack but why waste my money?<br><br>Most guys reading this will be disappointed with Oxyguno if they are on a bulk. But for my money this is the best legal cutting hormone out there ever.<br><br>Don't buy this is you expect a lot of bulk. I would love for someone to run Oxyguno with some clen or T-3 to see what happens. Someone should do this with a log.<br><br>My oats are ready and then its gym time. Later.<br><br>Bolo<br><br>

Ok, so here is what I was thinking, and tell me what your thoughts are on this. Iw as thining about hemaguno as a stand alone for 4 weeks to add some lean mass(my diet is low carb/low cal high protein now for cutting) and then in June or so I could stack the oxyguno with the old pro turanabol from Gaspari Nutrition(I have a bottle) and with that take the thermogenic thyrotabs from gaspari. I am cutting naturally now with my diet, lifting, cardio(30 mins 2-3 times a week) and taking an ECA stack and am at about 195 and 12%bf. After the hemoguno I would like to be at or around 200lbs and the same amount of bf and then at the end of june when I take the oxyguno/pro-turanabol/thyrotabs stack I would like to be at about 195lbs and 8%bf. My original thought was the PT with an orastan type product and the thyro tabs but it sounds to me like you think the oxyguno might be better than that and serve the same purpose, correct?