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 Well there are no beta agonists in Lipo 6. So it certainly doesn't "hit all six receptors." But there is no reason to assume this is desirable anyway. Synephrine and yohimbine are both relatively safe substances, in the doses in Lipo 6, assuming you are free of cardiovascular problems.
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 Thats very helpful, but I also did the research on it, and it seems there are 4 only. Thats besides the point, why is it not working. The Y. HCL by itself at point 3.0 should work sufficent enough. But, yet all I feel is less hungry at times, and no crashed. But, yet no lose of weight. I even tried staying away from it for two days and coming back to it for 5 more, like the new directions perferr. But, still nothing...please some advice! What am I doing wrong, I am so dedicated to it. I have been lifting for over four to five years now on and off (mostly off because of college). But, cant seem to lose the small belly. No diet has helped, I am confused. (To be frank starting to lose hope, thinking of lipo)
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 | QUOTE (JHFDU @ Jul 21 2004, 07:11 PM) | | I weight 177 and I am 6"2 so I do have some body fat. Also, I was told you can't really do cardio when your trying to gain muscle mass. And I am ususing this diet pill in the extreme phase (6 pills) and still no results. |
Not doing cardio is shooting yourself in the foot. It is a good nutrient repartioner.
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 | QUOTE (JHFDU @ Jul 23 2004, 03:39 PM) | | Ok can you give me an idea what cardio you can do when your trying to build mass. Also, I called the company up; Nutrex. They said the supplement would take 2-3 weeks for it to work and then it should work very efficiently. So here I am waiting. |
http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php?issueID=17&pageID=200or check out the cardio on http://challenge.bulknutrition.com. Sorry, but I just had to indulge in self-promotion. Mr. Tolson will probably agree that high intensity cardio is the way to go. I refuse to consider walking with my grandma exercise... By the way, you're trying to build mass and upset because Lipo 6 doesn't work. What exactly do you want it to do? Thanks! Marc Lobliner
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 Yes I would agree. This is also covered in the article I linked to below, I would check it out. Also covered is the idea of quickly getting huge and ripped both at the same time. Not going to happen. If you seriously want to lose the fat you are probably going to have to give up some muscle no matter what in the meantime.
Here is the section on cardio from the article:
| QUOTE | Do cardiovascular exercise.
While many people focus on cardiovascular exercise while avoiding weight training, there are others who do the opposite. Among certain groups of people, there are many myths about how cardiovascular exercise is bad for you, detrimental to someone trying to increase or maintain muscle mass, etc. These arguments usually reference data from studies on endurance athletes. Doing cardiovascular exercise does not mean running an ultramarathon. In fact, cardiovascular exercise of pretty much any reasonable intensity or duration is of benefit. While it is more likely that lean mass will be sacrified than with weight training, there is still a preferential loss of fat over muscle with physical activity. Additionally, epidemiological studies indicate that cardiovascular exercise is inversely correlated with the development of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) independently of body fat level. VAT is associated with a higher incidence of health problems, as well as an unsightly midsection.
The question then becomes which type of cardiovascular exercise is ideal for fat burning. As covered above, it is obviously not long-term endurance exercise, because although this causes a significant increase in caloric expenditure, a large amount comes from lean mass. There is another piece of misleading advice that you will commonly hear in this respect. Many will say that low intensity cardio (walking or light jogging) is best for weight loss because this is the "fat burning range" – a greater proportion of the calories burned comes from fat as opposed to alternative fuel sources such as glycogen. This may appear reasonable at first, but it really ignores the bigger picture. It is important to look at both calories burned during and after exercise, as exercise at a high enough intensity will lead to a longer-lasting increase in metabolic rate after exercise. Second, utilization of glycogen as opposed to fat during exercise is not necessarily a bad thing, as restoring the glycogen will still require calories. Also, if you look at it from the perspective of burning the most calories possible in the shortest period of time, the higher intensity, the better.
The ideal type of cardio for fat loss is short, high-intensity workouts, and this is supported by clinical studies. This causes the most calories to be burned in a given period of time and causes a greater increase in metabolic rate for a longer period of time after exercise. Additionally, the longer a cardio session is (especially after one hour), the more likely it is that loss of lean mass will occur, especially on a low calorie diet. This isn't to say that longer lasting, lower intensity cardiovascular exercise is bad, just that it is not the optimal way to lose fat. It is still good for your health, if kept within reason – definitely not something to avoid. |
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 Ya'll are forgetting that there is no "one size fits all" drug, so if Lipo-6 worked for others but not for you, it's time that you check something else out. When it comes to losing weight, diet & exercise are the proven methods. Even though it takes a while, the slow weight loss process increases your chances of keeping those pounds off, compared to someone who lost weight rapidly. IMO, liposuction is out of the question. Some people say, "I'll stop eating and exercise after the operation", but that statement has the same longevity of a New Year's resolution. My advice to you is to be selective of what you eat and do lots of cardio (namely running, as it burns the most fat...if you're unable to, then I suggest working out on those elliptical machines). This brings the question of debating whether to keep the muscle while working out or losing body mass (thereby losing the muscle) due to weight loss. As aforementioned, you cannot lose fat and keep or gain muscle, that just isn't possible. You should ask yourself the question, "Do I want to be big with a belly or do I want to be lean while promoting good health?" I think the answer is obvious. Weight lifting is intense on the body, and statistically speaking, those who are lean and exercise on a daily basis are in much better health than those who lift boulders and are sedentary. In other words, it is better healthwise to be thin and fit rather than just huge. I would cut down the fat and weight first with cardio, then after I've lost it, begin a weight lifting plan with the proper diet and supplementation to avoid the least amount of fat buildup while increasing mass.
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