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LIPO-6/EPHEDRINE stack review |
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| Posted by: franul@ Jul 25 2004, 07:04 AM |
| Hi guys/girls, Here is my starting info: 28 years old Starting weight: 192 lbs BF%: 22-23 (acu-measure) 3x 2caps lipo-6, EF liqui-caps 3x 1 tab vasopro ephedrine monday, tuesday, wednesday, friday - taining iwith weights thurdsday, saturday, sunday HIIT 20minutes Diet: 200+ g protein per day divided in 6-7 meals, 2.5 hours apart, lots of water, multivitamins, liquid amino-acids after 10 weeks including 2 weeks off the ECY stack..... weight: 184 lbs BF%: 14!!! i'll post few photos later.....if you guys want me to |
| Posted by: Skate Jul 25 2004, 09:24 AM | ||
If you can please do...I'm thinking of running this stack as well and would like to see some before/after pics. Btw...have you used the regular Lipo-6 before? Was wondering if the new luqui caps were better/same. |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 25 2004, 10:39 AM |
| I never used Lipo-6 before but this i used is great.....Someone wrote that he contacted nutrex and they said that lipo-6 needs about one week to start kicking. Go for it, trust me, you won't regret it |
| Posted by: 4everyoung Jul 25 2004, 02:23 PM |
| so you are saying that in 10 weeks you lost a total of 16.48lbs of fat, and gained 8.48 lbs of lean body mass. from stacking lipo-6 and vasopro and eating well. congrats. i was thinking of trying that stack. don't take this the wrong way but your results make me scepticle of the accuracy of you bodyfat tests, only because they are so good. i hope for your sake they accurate, thats really immpressive good job man. |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 25 2004, 04:32 PM |
4everyoung...i'll double check it for you  |
| Posted by: 4everyoung Jul 25 2004, 04:43 PM |
| no, need i'll take your word for. its just that adding 8lbs of muscle while trying to cut and not taking any ph's is awesome, and still managing to drop 8-9% bf. anyway good job. |
| Posted by: Geffen Jul 25 2004, 04:48 PM |
| I wonder just how much more effective those liqui-caps are compared to the EP capsules (powder)? The powder caps have been working well for me. |
| Posted by: Skate Jul 26 2004, 09:07 AM |
| You still planning on posting pics Fran? |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 26 2004, 11:22 AM |
| I'll post the pic.......having trouble with my compactflash card in the camera.... Give me day or 2, please |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 30 2004, 01:53 PM |
| this is my "after pic".....before is coming little later |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 30 2004, 02:06 PM |
| here is my "before" pic......nice appendix scar, ha? |
| Posted by: Skate Jul 30 2004, 03:03 PM |
No shit? That's after 10 weeks!? Damn, I'm gettin' that shit ordered asap!  Seriously though...nice gains there Fran. Keep it up!!! |
| Posted by: weeviekins2000 Jul 30 2004, 06:25 PM |
| How far below maintenence calories were you?. Good work, though where is your head in the before picture!?. How do we know its you?!. Hard to believe you were over 20% bf in the before picture, doesn't really look like it. I'm about 13% right now and my gut isn't flat. I think I have the same calipers as you. The Fat Track II Gold digital?. Its white, and comes with a Myotape?(sp.)?. |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 31 2004, 12:23 AM |
| when i calculate all my calorie intake i'm not over 2000 cal/day. Yeah thats me, if you want i'll take picture of other side of my body, so you can see my aapendix scar also, if you don't believe me. I don't have digital caliper with myotape. I have acu-mesaure caliper, i think it costs 11$... |
| Posted by: weeviekins2000 Jul 31 2004, 12:49 AM |
| http://www.accufitness.com/products/fattrack.html Ok under 2000 each day with the amount of exercise you do yeah it would be possible to loose that much fat. I don't think you bf percentages were accurate though. Good job, I just don't think the you lost that much of a percentage of fat and added as much muscle as estimated. It is a very dramatic change, but trust me it wasn't from the lipo-6. It was the amount of excercise you do for the amount of calories you take in. I do believe you lost fat and kept most of your muscle. I am also jealous since I have a hard time losing fat! |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 31 2004, 06:48 AM |
| weeviekins2000, I didn't say that all is from lipo-6, but last year i tried HOT-ROX, Hydroxycut eve VPX's CLENBUTRX and i didn't have results like with LIPO-6/vasopro, diet was same, training was same....only thing i changed is cardio from 30-45 minutes to 20 minutes of HIIT 3x week. My opinion is that LIPO-6 is great product and in combination with vasopro i'll give 10 stars in any review. I hope that somebody will find this reviw useful and i'll keep posting my progres because my goal is to drop to 9-10% BF then i'll hit bulking... regards, franul@ |
| Posted by: weeviekins2000 Jul 31 2004, 08:35 AM |
| Well, you are one lucky bastard! |
| Posted by: GuardDog Jul 31 2004, 10:24 AM |
| Holy Fvcking FatLoss Batman!!! That's awesome results in 10 weeks! Heck, if it wasn't for the surgery scar, I wouldn't have believed it was you but some lame-ass before-after pictures you see on TV. It seems like you found what works for you. - Congratulations. It looks like you gained some muscle too. What other supps/PH/PS were you taking? |
| Posted by: Skate Jul 31 2004, 11:00 AM | ||
LMAO I think Fran said he wasn't taking any Phs at the time, but was planning on running a S1+ cycle in the near future. I'm gonna do the same thing and take some before pics and then some after pics in the weeks to come to check progress. I'm gonna get the Lipo ordered today and see how it goes. Hope to see some results like Fran. Hell...you could be their poster boy with those results Fran! |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 31 2004, 12:16 PM |
| I see that some people are sceptic about my pics, so i'll post one. You can recognize me by my appendix surgery scar..... I just don't get it....you really think that i'll post some other guys pics and tell it is me?  Never mind, i'm very proud of my results and i hope that others will have same results (go for it Skate!) franula |
| Posted by: franul@ Jul 31 2004, 12:32 PM |
| here it is, i hope you guys believe it now |
| Posted by: cobra1414 Jul 31 2004, 01:26 PM |
| Damn thats impressive bro, wish I could get results like that. Looks like you got a pretty nice base of muscle to burn the fat off with also. |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 3 2004, 01:19 PM |
| Fran, Of course I believed it was you, I was just amazed at such incredible results. To add on top of that, I am jealous as hell and wish my fat loss results turned out that well! |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 3 2004, 01:50 PM |
| Hell look at it this way, Fran...you did such a good job it's just hard to believe. I know that'd make me proud to have that kind of unbeliveable results. Kinda nice having somebody look at your pics and say "no friggin way!". Anyhoot...good job and keep it up man! |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 15 2004, 01:26 PM | ||
Fran, Did you find that true for yourself? It's been a week for me and really haven't noticed anything yet. Started full dosing last Wednesday. I'm not holding anything against the Lipo, though. First week was bad for me on training. Work has been hell lately and have been stressed out beyond belief. Needless to say my diet has suffered (not eating bad...just not eating much at all) along with a luckluster workout on my part. Things should improve this week with work, along with being more dedicated in the gym. |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 15 2004, 03:42 PM |
| Skate, I started my lipo6/ephedrine stack last tuesday and have been in the same situation as you with work. Usually I eat great at work but last week we were so busy a couple of days I ate very little but I seem to have benefited from it. I started at 157-158 and about 17% bf and now I am 155 and 15-16%. How much are you dosing? First 2 days I did 2x2 of lipo and 1x2 of ephedrine, thursday and friday I did 3x3 lipo and 1x3 ephedrine. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 15 2004, 04:46 PM |
| Yeah.... I had same experience. Just be patient guys, everything will be ok. Results will show up. After 6 - 8 weeks, take 1-2 week off. I have 15 days left of that stack. Now i'm 180 lbs, 12% BF........1% BF per week...  |
| Posted by: WardrobeMalfunction Aug 15 2004, 06:30 PM |
| Off Topic... This is a RANT.. Another BB I frequent (Pick-up truck enthusists) a member asked about "Epehedra alternatives?" I Suggest "Ephedrine HCI. An ECA stack works well". Next day thread is locked. I am accused of posting information about Illegal/Controlled Substances. I was PISSED. Would this have made you guys mad, or is it just me?  Off Rant |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 16 2004, 08:13 AM |
| Yeah I'd be pissed. Try telling the dumbasses to go look at the ingredients to Sudafed and realize the only friggin difference is that it's the synthetic form of ephedra. Man people are morons. *************************** Hoping my training gets better this week. Work was looking to get better this week, but found out that one of my forklift drivers passed away this weekend. So it's come as a great shock and loss for us. Fran, thanks for the update on that. I'm being patient (well, trying to anyways!). Hopefully I'm be seeing at least something by the end of next weekend. Good luck to the rest of you guys on it. I've been on full dose since last Wed, so we'll see what happens. Kinda fun we got a bunch of us running this stack to compare notes as we go. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 16 2004, 10:58 AM |
| Skate and rest of you guys, I will post some pics in few days. That will be after 15 weeks with 2 weeks break. I think that i'll reach my goal in next 3 weeks....10 % BF. If you are interested in my training routine while on stack, here it is: I'm doing 3 weeks of supersets....6 excersises, combined 2by2, with 4 sets with 10 reps per excercise, 20 per superset. Rest is 60sec btw excercises in superset. After 3 weeks, i'm doing 1-2 week basic excercises in 4 sets with 10 reps, little heavier. I don't haave cheat day and i'm doing HIIT, thursdays, saturdays and sundays, 24 minutes on stationary bike. I hope that my review was little helpful for you and i guarantee that you'll have results like i have. From september 1st i'm hiting bulking phase, so if you want to me to write review on that please let me know. That will be S1+/Methyl-1,4ADDiol stack with different diet and training. franula |
| Posted by: BALDONE Aug 16 2004, 12:02 PM |
| hey guys, i as well will be running this after my m1t cycle ends on sunday will let know my results hope they are as good as yours fran |
| Posted by: Debaser Aug 16 2004, 12:47 PM |
| can someone post the product link to this lipo6? It says product not found when i click on your lipo6 hyperlinks! |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 16 2004, 12:55 PM |
| Debaser, Here you are: http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=1338 |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 16 2004, 02:13 PM | ||
Hey you bastard you got my signature! LMAO...have you ever seen mine before? That's just funny... |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 16 2004, 06:34 PM | ||||
Skate LOL, That is funny as hell. Once I read your signature, I started saying it all the time at work! |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 17 2004, 05:51 AM |
| You remember what movie that's from? Trivia challenge for the day... |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 17 2004, 07:02 AM |
| I have been trying to figure it out for 2 days now, I know I have seen it but I just cant remember! |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 17 2004, 07:50 AM |
| I didn't realize it was a movie line, and I love movies. So I cheated and looked it up on the Internet, but won't post it to see if somone actually knows it without having to look it up. It is still a great line. |
| Posted by: Debaser Aug 18 2004, 09:50 AM | ||||
Skate, Sorry man, I didnt steal your sig though. What I dont understand is how my SIG or my picture of Hacksaw Jim Duggen got on there. I never set it up in my profile. All I can think of is the 1fast400 forum is the same "type" of forum as another I use everyday, and somehow my sig/picture from that forum got copied to this one..Weird huh? -TJ |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 18 2004, 10:48 AM |
| LOL...that's ok bud. I'm getting ready to change my sig again anyways. That just cracked me up we had the same one. And nothing against good ol' Hacksaw...but I like the new avy better  |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 18 2004, 12:59 PM |
| Hell Debaser, I can't think straight now after seeing your avy. Please tell me that is not your girlfriend. |
| Posted by: Debaser Aug 18 2004, 01:41 PM | ||
No, its not my girlfriend, but I picked it because it looked as close to what my gf looks like as I could find searching on Google. One of these days shes going to say yes when I ask if I can photograph her. I just can't wait!!!! My gf was blessed with the perfect genes (her dad is a doctor and her mom is a big wig for American Express). Both of her parents are in amazing shape for being in their 40's. You should see her mother (and her breast implants!) My dad always told me to find a girl with a great looking mom...words of wisdom I guess. LOL Thanks for the compliment on the avatar....brunettes rule! |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 18 2004, 01:49 PM | ||
So when you having all of us over for dinner???  I'm partial to short haired blondes myself. And to think this thread started off as Fran's Lipo review |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 18 2004, 02:59 PM |
yeah  |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 18 2004, 07:21 PM |
| ROFLMAO!!! Oh yeah Fran, sorry about that. |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 19 2004, 06:36 AM |
| Sorry for hijacking your thread Fran Ok, boy-os...back on track Been busting ass in the gym this week, so hopefully I'll see some gains (well, loss actually) by next week. Found a nice little HIIT program I can do on the stair monster and it's been working good. 30 sec sprints followed by 45 sec jog. |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 19 2004, 06:51 AM |
| I feel like I am totally wasting my stack. I got a shin splint monday so I am screwed for HIIT. I am going to order some new shoes this weekend so hopefully they get here fast and hopefully that fixes my problem. |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 19 2004, 07:46 AM |
| Speakle, Your not screwed for HITT, you are just screwed for running/sprinting style of HITT. You can still get a great workout with a elliptical machine or stationary bike. Simply try and find one that doesn't flex your shins that much or have a lot of impact. I hate running and constantly get shin splints, so I reset and focus on another way. Don't give up bro- just be more careful and pay attention to treat your injuries better. If the doctor does tell you to stop, then stop. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 19 2004, 08:18 AM |
| I'm doing HIIT on stationary bike, 30sec/60sec and it's great for me....... Now after 17 weeks i'm 178 lbs at 12% BF.......2% more to go and then bulking phase..... I'll post pics later if you guys want |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 19 2004, 10:20 AM | ||
Go for it Fran...be nice to see some more. Like Guard said, you can still do your HIIT on machines. Try the stair climber...dear God it will make you wish HIIT was illegal to do in a gym I've done it on elipitcals too and it works pretty good. I have a hard time running (on pavement/track) after a few days. Starts to tear my knees up something horrible. |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 20 2004, 08:44 AM |
| Ok...this stuff is starting to look REALLY promising after being on full dosage for a week now. I'm waiting until Monday to post feeback on results so far. This week I did my normal lifting routines, followed by HIIT on a stairclimber. Doing a 15 min program (for now) with 10 minutes of it beeing dedicated to sprinting/jogging. The other 5 min is for warm-up and cool down. Finally got measured last night and used their little body fat % thingy. Don't know how accurate it really is, but at least I'll have a starting point for comparison purposes down the road. In regards to the b/f scale...how often do you think I should check it? Every day, once a week, twice a week??? Since I don't know the accuracy of it I'm wondering if I should do it every day and take the average from the numbers. Guard - are you running the Lipo-6 as well? I'm losing track on who all is taking this right now. I know a bunch of us are. Btw...I changed my sig for you Debaser...lol |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 20 2004, 09:11 AM |
| ROFLMAO on your new sig Skate! I am only on ECY right now(all base products from Bulk Nut). I am going to get Lipo-6 on my next order in a few days. Both me and my better half are going to stack it so we can help compare results. I am definitely looking forward to it. I have also been researching Tri-Max, although it is a little more extreme. |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 20 2004, 09:38 AM |
| Like I said, this stuff is looking pretty damned good. Btw..thanks go to you Fran. Always been thinking about trying the Lipo and after seeing your results that finally got me to order it. Needless to say I'm happy I did. I know you shouldn't just go by your weight and all, but man I about dropped a load when I got on the scale today. Like I said on Monday I'll post some results. Want to get through the weekend and see how things compare with days off from training. Won't be able to hit the gym on Sat or Sun, so tonight is my last for this week. Plus it's leg night...won't be able to do HIIT for a couple days anyways! |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 20 2004, 10:55 AM |
| I'm glad you like it Skate. I know that everyone who try it will like it.....That stack is great in long term for slow fat burning but quality one... I'm also glad that my review help all of you guys to decide and give this stack a shot. From september 4th i'll post review "bulking stack" and keep log..... thanx p.s. pics are still following p.p.s sorry for my english (if it's bad) in all my posts |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 20 2004, 11:11 AM |
| LMAO...nice sig there Fran. |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 20 2004, 01:06 PM |
| Got any sugar-free or low cal bubble gum Fran? |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 20 2004, 02:47 PM |
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| Posted by: Debaser Aug 20 2004, 05:39 PM |
| Nice sig skate.... hey guys, I have awesome news. The hottest girl joined my gym today. I mean hot. I believe she is latina or Portuguese. Very strong legs, unbelieveably beautiful face. It was hilarious to see the guy's jaws drop. We have been praying for someone like her to join for about 3 years now...lol... our gym is predominately men with a few amazon women. hehe. Time to celebrate!!! -TJ |
| Posted by: HOVER Aug 21 2004, 03:36 PM |
| OK guys...we all know Debaser has a hot g/f and that there is at least 1 non-Amazon chick @ his gym...yay are we satisfied. I believe this is about LIPO & losing "bf", not to tell each other stories on how hot our g/fs are! Oh yeah, this ain't movie trivia either boys. "What?! The Land of the Free? Whoever told you that is your ENEMY!!!" |
| Posted by: Debaser Aug 21 2004, 07:33 PM |
| sorry guys....sometimes I get carried away. Im currently on the Vasopro Ephedrine/Prolab Caffeine stack and its definately suppressing my appetite. Its only been 3 days and I already feel trimmer. I will be adding Lipo-6 next week. -TJ |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 21 2004, 08:17 PM |
| Debaser, If you start taking the Lipo, make sure you drop your regular caffeine pills. The Lipo has 200mg caffeine per dose (eqivilant to 1 caff tab). Otherwise you'll be bouncing off the walls. |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 23 2004, 05:22 AM |
| Yup...stuff is starting to look good guys. Only made it into the gym 4 days last week. My dumbass roommate didn't pay the electric bill, so had to find other places to crash since last Thursday. Needless to say it kind of screwed things up a bit over the weekend. So, even with missing the gym on Friday & Saturday, plus doing a little binging over the weekend, still lost about 5 pounds. Hopefully this week goes better and will see even better results next week. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 23 2004, 11:31 AM |
| Skate, I promised you pic, so here it is. Same pose, little tan from vacation, different boxershorts.... This is after 17 weeks. BF is 12%, weight is 180 lbs. Few more days and i'm finished with ECY stack for this year. Just be persistent and with proper diet and dedication you'll get great results. Now i have new misison: "to gain dry muscle mass".....S1+/M1,4ADdiol stack... franula |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 23 2004, 01:48 PM |
| Damn Fran...I'm telling ya you could be the poster boy for Lipo. Looking good bro. You'll have to post pics again when you get done with your PH cycle. Good luck with it! Been doing good in the gym lately. Just had things screw up cause of my roommate last week and the in turn messed up my workout schedule. Plus like I said I binged this weekend. Oh well, had a hell of a stressful week at work, so it was a good relaxing weekend break. Gonna hit the gym at least 5 days this week. Hoping to get 6 in, but depends on work (as usual). |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 23 2004, 01:59 PM |
| Do you feel how this stack is kicking your ass? Take advantage of that..... I'm doing 4 days with weights and 3 HIIT... |
| Posted by: vinny.a Aug 24 2004, 01:01 AM |
| hey fran excellent results dawg,im currently beginning my first stack of lipo and vasporo aswell.oh the movie that line in debaser sig is called "they live" starring rowdy roddy piper,pretty good movie he says that line when he walks into the bank with a shotgun in his hand. |
| Posted by: Debaser Aug 25 2004, 11:43 AM |
| Looking good Fran, although you are the reason I changed my avatar. A guy like myself can take just so much of seeing another guy in his boxer-briefs :-) Fran you are the posterboy for Lipo6. I can't wait to get mine. ALthough this E/C stack is keeping me awake at night and taking a toll on my body. :-( ************* vinny.a & skate, I changed my sig, for now. Not sure where I found it or what in the hell it means but its fun to say! |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 25 2004, 12:13 PM | ||
The first few days I took the Lipo w/ Vasopro I was bouncing off the walls. After being on it for 2 weeks the stimulant effects have worn off grately (for me at least). Morning dose gets me going, but the mid-day and afternoon doses haven't been doing as much. Usually though, once I get into the gym and start working out it seems to really kick in and lite a fire under my ass. Haven't had any troubles sleeping because of it. Mainly I think that is due to the fact I've been busier than hell at work, so by the time I'm done working out I'm usually dead tired. At least I still have enough energy to stay up and watch Family Guy on Adult Swim...lol. Way things are looking, by this coming Monday (the 30th) I should have lost nearly 10lbs in 2 1/2 weeks...not bad considering gym time hasn't been the best as of late. Been doing good on the diet at least. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 25 2004, 12:32 PM |
| seems that everything is going exactly like in my case........ |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 25 2004, 05:40 PM |
| I am on my 3rd week so far of the lipo/vasopro stack. I have not been doing cardio and still I am down 1.5% bf. I take it mon-fri and take sat-sun off. First 2 days of the week I usually dose at 6:30 when I wake up and again at 4:30. It can be somewhat intense when you get started. I notice when I work out my head tingles a little bit when I take it 3 times a day. I am definately cutting up around the mid-section. Thats a hell of a tan you got fran. |
| Posted by: weeviekins2000 Aug 25 2004, 08:25 PM |
| You guys are pulling me in with all this hype. How long does 1 bottle last?. I have no money what so ever now though.... |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 25 2004, 08:50 PM |
| If you have no money maybe just do a e/c/y stack. Lipo6 has 120 capsules and serving size is 2. You can do 2 or 3 servings a day so 25-40 days approx. I get 25-40 because of a necassary break somewhere in there. I take off weekends. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 26 2004, 12:56 AM |
| yeah, one bottle of LIPO-6 and vasopro last for 20 days if you take 3x day...... |
| Posted by: weeviekins2000 Aug 26 2004, 01:05 AM |
| I would probally take 3 times a day, and the weekends off... |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 26 2004, 06:34 AM |
| This is a no-bullshit kick ass fat burner Wee... I've tried a lot of them, but this stuff is working wonders. It is worth the money. I had a hard time spending the money on it at first, but now that I've been on it solid for 2+ weeks I'm glad I took the plunge. Looks like I am on track...as of this morning I'm down 9 lbs. Fran & you other guys taking this stack - Anybody get an upset stomach sometimes about 30 min after dosing? Usually it's only the morning dose that bothers me. If I don't eat something within about 20 minutes of taking my morning dose I feel like I'm gonna puke. Not sure if it's the Lipo or the fish oils that are making my stomach upset. I've run EC in mornings before with no problems. It's no big deal...like I said as long as I eat farily soon after dosing I'm fine. Just wondering if anybody else has had this happen to them. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 26 2004, 06:43 AM |
| Skate, It's fish oils.....When i take them, first i have upset stomach then after some time i get bloated like baloon... I'm glad you like this stack....few more week and you will become poster guy.. fran |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 26 2004, 08:18 AM | ||
LOL...well, it's gonna take more than a few weeks, but thanks I'm looking at a few months, but things are looking good though. Figure I'll probably run about 3 bottles, take a week or two off of them, then hit it again.Had a feeling it might be the oils. I get bloated as well from them. At least I've been on them long enough now where I don't get the fish burps as bad (thank God!). |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 26 2004, 08:38 AM |
| Did you notice my new avatar? |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 26 2004, 09:01 AM |
| Kind of hard not to...It's still freaking me out |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 26 2004, 09:07 AM |
| kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 26 2004, 09:42 AM |
| Fran, You didn't give your Avatar Kitty any Lipo6/ephedrine did you? It looks a little wired. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 26 2004, 10:37 AM |
| Today is my last day of Lipo/ephedrine stack and overall i'm happy and proud. BF is 11.5% and my weight is 176 lbs. Now i have one question. Since i was drinking alcohol on new years party last time, it's time to have some. How long after ECY stack can i drink some alcohol? thanx |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 26 2004, 10:41 AM |
| In my opinion Fran, you shouldn't have any problems while drinking on a EC stack. I've drank before while running that stack and had no problems. I would advise against taking a dose prior to drinking, since you will have a stimulant and depressant (alcohol) working against eachother. Other than avoiding the two at the same time you should be fine. I'd be doing some celebrating too after your results you got! Btw, Guard....lol @ the comment about the cat & lipo |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 26 2004, 01:55 PM |
| i don't mean i'll get totally drunk.....but one or two coctails would be nice..... Skate, I see i must change my signature.... |
| Posted by: weeviekins2000 Aug 26 2004, 02:26 PM | ||
Don't be hard on yourself fran!. Your at least 10% or less! |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 26 2004, 03:04 PM |
| Thanx |
| Posted by: mace0031 Aug 26 2004, 03:16 PM |
| hello.. my name is Janell (im a 21 y/o female).. I'm going to stack the lipo-6 with ephedrine and l-tyrosine.. i ordered everything yesterday.. i hope it gets here soon.. i'm really excited after seeing your results!! i'm about 5'2'' and 113lbs now.. I have no idea what by bf % is.. I'll get it checked this weekend at the gym.. I played hocker yr round for 12 yrs and i quit a few yrs back because of some shoulder injuries.. I'm really excited to get that body back!.. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 26 2004, 03:41 PM |
| First of all WELCOME on the board Janell! As you see Lipo-6/ephedrine works very well, burns fat like hell Did you use stack like this before? Anyway, start with low dosage for a few days but since you're the girl i think that 2 dose a day should be enough for you. You'll have great results, just keep your diet straight, workout, and do some kind of cardio (HIIT if it's possible) If you have any kind of question, feel free to ask Fran |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 26 2004, 07:26 PM |
| One piece of advise I can give about the stack is to eat often. If I get busy and cant eat when I am supposed to (every 2 1/2 hours) I start to feel dazed and get a little stomach discomfort. Once I feel this coming on I immediatley eat but I can imagine it would get a bit worse if I put off the meal to long. Just something to keep in mind if you guys start to feel funny on this stuff. |
| Posted by: mace0031 Aug 27 2004, 10:52 AM |
| Hey thanks!! I'm looking to start a HIIT cardio program.. Never did one before so I'm not really sure where to begin. I'll most like be doing it on the stair stepper... When I'm in the sprint mode what intensity/resistance should i be at and what should i be at in the jog mode.. Maybe i'll have more fun doing that then plain ol' cardio.. that is so boring.. i love lifting weights too.. my only prob is that i was in a car accident 3 yrs ago and me left shoulder and arm is real messed up.. my back too. i have nerve damage, scar tissue, induced scoliosis.. it's a real pain. but i still work my upper body.. just pretty lighty.. i work me legs pretty hard though.. and other ideas on a workout ideas for me??? thanks for all of the help! you guys are great! |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 27 2004, 11:48 AM |
| Janell, About HIIT you'll find here: http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=1416&hl=hiit I hope it will help..... Just be persistent, dedicated and whole world is yours.... Fran |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 27 2004, 01:10 PM |
| Fran gave you the good link to HIIT. That's probably the best thread we have on here that deals with it. Guess I started something good with that thread Things are still going good...as I said before should be down by at least 10lbs this coming Monday. Wo-hoo!!! I agree with Speakle...I usually eat within 20 minutes of dosing. Any longer and I get an upset stomach. But like Fran and I were talking about I think it's the fish oils that bother me in the morning. Other times of the day I'm ok. Janelle...shouldn't take you too long to burn off the fat you want. This stuff is great, and if you incoporate a HIIT routine it'll do wonders. 113lbs...God my legs weigh more than you do! lol |
| Posted by: mace0031 Aug 27 2004, 01:46 PM |
| Thanks for all of the helps guys! It is greatly appreciated.. Also, as for my diet, if you have any suggestions i'd love to hear them.. sometimes it his hard for me to stick to one because they are so boring.. i just some variety so i don't get sick of the things i eat.. i'd love to hear some ideas.. or what you guys are doing.. i guess the only part of my diet that stays in check is that i drink tons of water.. i hate pop and coffee.. eveyonce in a while i'll have some cranberry juice.. but other than that. i drink water.. well, accept for when i go to the bar.. Haha.. anyways, i checked out that link for the HIIT program.. i guess i am still unsure the intesities that i should be at.. maybe i can find some extra info on the net.. or i can ask one of the trainers at my gym.. (wierdly.. i'm waiting for my test results to become a certified personal trainer.. but i have never heard of the HIIT program before. I took the ACE (Amerinca Council on Exercise) exam.. another 1-3 weeks until i get my results.. i took the test 3 weeks ago.. it really sucks that it takes so long to get the results..). Oh.. and also, i'm going to school to major in Exercise Science/Nutrition.. But I haven't started working towards my major yet.. (still doing generls).. needless to say i still don't know much haha.. but i love to work out.. it feels so great to be in the gym. |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 27 2004, 02:09 PM |
| With HIIT, basically you just want to go balls to the wall for 30 seconds, and then follow up with 30-60 seconds of jogging (i.e. recovery time). You can do it on about anything machine wise. Feel free to post up any questions you have about it on the HIIT thread. |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 27 2004, 05:22 PM |
| I feel I have to say this to all the new HIIT people. If you do nothing else right with your HIIT training make sure you STRETCH before, stretch so much that you cant take it anymore. I say this because I am still not able to do cardio because of a shin splint. I may have been stretching enough but now I second guess myself. But even with no cardio, just a clean diet and lipo6/vasopro I am down to 14.5% bodyfat, down from about 18% 3 1/2 weeks ago. Weight has gone from 158 down to 154. Feeling good! Finally I have hope of a six pack. |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 27 2004, 06:56 PM |
| I have a six pack...it's just underneath my pony-keg...lol |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 27 2004, 07:01 PM |
| lol. What are your stats skate? |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 27 2004, 07:15 PM |
| Don't have them with me right now (have them written down in my gym bag). I'm going to post my starting stats and results after 4 weeks. Right now I'm at a hefty 300. I'm 6'2" and have a BIG frame...so I doubt I will ever be below 225lbs. Well, might as well share my story quick. Always been overweight throughout my life. After high school I kept putting on weight still. Worked at a job on second shift for a year and a half and just made things worse (had no time to ever go to the gym). Got burnt out working seconds, so finally got a first shift job. Knew I had to do something about my weight cause it was going out of control (got up to 395lbs). So, finally got serious at the gym and started kicking ass. Over the next year or so, I made my way down to 265lbs. Hit a plateau and couldn't lose anymore weight for the life of me (looking back I know the mistakes I made and why I got "stuck"). Enter girlfriend...started going less and less (BIG mistake). Enter getting laid off my job...just made things all the better. Since then (which was about 4 years ago) just got out of working out. Got another girlfriend after awhile (which was a very rocky relationship). Between all the crap over the last couple years, plus having a family history of depression, started putting the weight back on. Got up to 315 and said that's it. Found this site and it has become my inspiration to work out again. So, over the past month I've dropped 15lbs (10 in the last 2 1/2 weeks alone....love the Lipo!!!). Needless to say lessons have been learned. Won't sacrafice my health anymore for nothing or nobody. When I do get a g/f again, I'm going to be straight up and tell them this is part of my life. I need it and can't slip out of it like I did before. I feel better when I'm working out physically, but it also helps my depression from getting bad. I really owe a lot to the guys on this board because it gives me a drive to work hard and share stories & results with everybody. So, thanks guys for helping me make a change in my life for the better. Well....so much for quick |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 27 2004, 11:59 PM |
| Well, sounds like you have been doing better throughout than you started which is great. Congrats on your progress so far, I think it is great when someone says, hey, I am unhealthy, I need to do something about it, and actually does something about. A good friend of mine is getting pretty unhealthy an dno matter what I say he doesnt seem to change(330lb goin up!). Good luck skate, definatley keep us posted on your progress. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 28 2004, 01:20 PM |
| Guys, Two days after i stopped my lipo-6/ephedrine venture my apetite went trough the roof! I don't know is that ephedrine suppressed my apetite but with a little fight and with little of water i can manage that. Don't be affraid, it's ok.... |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 28 2004, 05:32 PM |
| Yeah, the ephedrine really kills the appetite. It's really not that highly thermogenic and the fat/weight loss mainly comes due to the suppression of you appetite. Even if you decide to stay off the Lipo, it won't hurt to stay on a basic EC stack. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 29 2004, 12:22 AM |
| It's not that bad..... Anyway, i'm starting bulking phase in a few days, so i can use that much apetite.... |
| Posted by: mace0031 Aug 29 2004, 06:08 PM |
| anyways.. So when I made my order, i ordered the Lipo-6, ephederine hcl, yohimbine hcl, L-tyrosine and caffeine. (i figured i'd cycle the lipo-6 with the basic ECY stack).. I got everything yesterday accept for the Lipo-6.. I'm not sure why that didn't come.. Consdinering when I ordered it, it didn't say it was on backorder. So I find that a little odd.. But back to my point.. i took my first serving of the ECY+L-tyrosine stack today and it was a major appetite killer.. I was amazed.. I mean, the thought of food and eating it literally made me sick to my stomach.. It was the weirdest thing ever... It seems to be an amazing appetite suppressant.. The only thing is that it is so strong that i literllay need to force myself to eat.. And it has been hard.. It is 6pm here and i've only consumed about 375-400 calories.. And i know I should eat something now.. Maybe I only need to take half of a 25mg pill of Ephedrine Hcl.. I will try that tomorrow and see how that goes. (i figured i'd be ok with the full dose today because i knew i was just going to take one dose for the whole day.. ) My workout schedule is going to be a bit hectic. It is going to be really hard for me to get into the gym on Monday and Tuesdays.. I work full time and then on Mon and Tues I have clas until 930 at night.. My only free time during the day is at during my lunch break.. but i have to come home to let my puppy out. And ideas you guys can offer me to get some sort of activity in on those days.. that doesn't take a long time.. Thanks for your help! Janell |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 29 2004, 06:21 PM |
| Janell, You could always get up earlier in the morning and do HIIT training or something like a prison/military workout around your neighborhood before your day starts. Simply do some pushups, situps, and a little running will do wonders when you can't make it to the gym. However, if your gym opens up early in the morning, just go there instead. GuardDog |
| Posted by: mace0031 Aug 29 2004, 07:05 PM |
| THanks for the suggestion.. But I have to be to work by 6am already.. And doing that is a massive challenge for me since I am really not much of a morning person.. I don't think I could manage to get up any earlier than I already do (5am..).. My only other thought would be to do a HIIT training session after school.. But then I guarantee I wouldn't be able to fall asleep until about midnight if not later.. and i am the type of person that needs at the very least, 6 hrs of sleep or I am extremely crabby all day.. Haha.. So I try to be in bed by 10 at night.. I guess I made the mistake of scheduling my classes to be 2 days in a row.. I should have signed up for one class on a mon and the other on thurs or something.. that way those 2 days could be my days off.... I guess I'll have to figure something out.. If i wasn't working overtime then i could prob squeeze a workout in between work and school.. but I really need the extra money and my work doesn't offer OT all the time.. so i need to take advantage of it while i can.. |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 29 2004, 07:27 PM |
| Janelle, Wow- you are pushing a serious schedule aren't you. Considering that, you could just take those two days in a row off and train really hard the other five days. I normally train like a beast mon-fri with a some type light workout on Saturday or sometimes not at all, and take Sunday completely off. GD |
| Posted by: mace0031 Aug 29 2004, 08:09 PM |
| Ya.. I'm extremely busy with work and school.. But I have a lot of bills and I can't keep putting school off. So finally I decided to suck it up and kick my ass.. Haha.. I was thinking about taking those 2 days off.. And I just might have to.. But I hate taking 2 days off in a row because I feel like I get totally off track if I skip more than 1 day at time.. I'm going to try to figure something out.. That I can do at home before I go to bed.. We'll see.. I'll just have to get creative.. Haha.. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 30 2004, 12:58 AM |
| Lipo-6 already contains 3 mg of yohimbine hcl per dosage......be careful.. |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 30 2004, 06:21 AM |
| Yeah, even though the mg content isn't that high in a dose of Lipo, it is something to keep in mind. This is from Tolson's article on Yohimbine: *************** 6. How should yohimbine be taken? The dosage of .2 mg/kg (approximately 1 mg per 10 lbs.) per day is relatively free of side effects and effective for weight loss (2, 3), while .1 mg/kg is more commonly used for sexual stimulant effects. For fat loss, yohimbine is generally taken twice daily, in the morning and afternoon. It is best taken on an empty stomach, as taking it with a meal can reduce its lipolytic effects (3). The half-life of yohimbine is short (1-2 hours), but the half-life of a metabolite with similar activity, 11-hydroxy-yohimbine, is 6-8 hours (18), so it is not necessary to take it every 2 hours. It is best to start with half the dose or less to see how sensitive you are to yohimbine, as inter-individual bioavailability and tolerance can vary greatly. *************** Also, I would really advise against taking a caffeine pill with the Lipo. A dose of Lipo already has 200mg of caffeine in it (equal to 1 caffeine tab). That much caffeine intake in a day, if you stacked them that way, could cause some real problems. Tolson recommends staying around 400mg of caffeine a day. Personally, I've had no problems at 600mg. Some days I probably get up to 800mg, but not that often. If there are days on the weekend where you want to cycle off the Lipo, then you could run the basic EC stack. |
| Posted by: mace0031 Aug 30 2004, 11:19 AM |
| oh.. i know.. when i take the Lipo-6 i'm only going to add the Ephedrine HCl.. but when i'm not taking the Lipo-6, then i'll take the ECY stack. i am planning on cycling the Lipo-6.. (i'll use the lipo for a 3-4 wks.. then stop and just use the ecy for 3-4 wks.. then stop.. and go back to the lipo.. etc.. ) I already know that the Lipo has yohimbine and caffeine so i don't need to add those.. but thanks for the heads up! |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 30 2004, 11:28 AM |
| I did cycles......6 weeks on / 2 weeks off and i never took weekends off of lipo/ephedrine stack... |
| Posted by: Skate Aug 30 2004, 11:42 AM |
| Ok...just wanted to be sure you knew. Otherwise you'd end up looking like Fran's cat |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 30 2004, 01:12 PM |
| yeah, OD kitty... |
| Posted by: mace0031 Aug 30 2004, 04:06 PM |
| Haha.. that prob wouldn't be so good.. Thanks for all of the help! Man... I feel like i've already lost about 3 lbs of water weight.. I've been drinking tons of water.. But i have to go to the bathroom like every 15 mins haha.. I guess anything to get out of my desk at work.. This day sure is going really slow... |
| Posted by: vinny.a Aug 31 2004, 07:36 AM |
| hey fran what does your workout routine consist of both weight training and cardio.im really not tryin to get any bigger so i cut my weight training down and i focus more on cardio i burn atleast 600-900 calories in one cardio session im wonderin should i aim for more.my caloric intake is some where between 500-900 calories a day,since i began my lipo and eph stack.i cant gain an appetite for nothing.my water intake is a gallon a day.thanx in advance. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 31 2004, 08:36 AM | ||
This was on second page of this thread
I hope it helps.... |
| Posted by: vinny.a Aug 31 2004, 10:59 AM |
| thanx for the info,now i geuss i should just do light weights to achieve the cut look. |
| Posted by: franul@ Aug 31 2004, 11:29 AM |
| Vinny.a, What are your stats? I think that all 900 calories should come from protein if it's all you take all day..... But.....my diet was app. 2000 calories a day |
| Posted by: Speakle Aug 31 2004, 05:21 PM |
| 500-900 cals a day??? Thats hardly anything. You will drop weight quickly I am sure but you are going to be sacrificing hard earned muscle. |
| Posted by: GuardDog Aug 31 2004, 06:54 PM | ||
I agree. You really should calculate your maintenance caloric level and eat around 500 calories below it split 5-6 meals a day. It will keep your body from eating itself for energy. |
| Posted by: vinny.a Sep 2 2004, 12:49 PM |
| im currently 6'1 245lb i have a good amunt of muscle on me.i try to eat more but my appetite is so suppressed i just get sick thinking about food.i was 257 about 2 weeks ago the weight is just fllin off of me.i know im goin to get flamed for this but i havent taken protein in 4 months for some reason my lifting hasnt gone down im still doin 80lb d.bells 8-10 reps x3 sets shoulder press,100lb d.bells 8 repsx3 sets chest press,250 lb bench.i really dont want to be huge im aimin for the lean look like randy orton from wwe.so if i lose muscle i wont mind it as much as a bodybuilder would. |
| Posted by: Speakle Sep 2 2004, 05:31 PM |
| This stuff doesnt touch my appetite. I am taking it 3x a day and speed from it but I still eat like crazy. I am not complaining, I like it this way because I hate forcing myself to eat. |
| Posted by: Debaser Sep 3 2004, 10:59 AM |
| What does HIIT training mean? |
| Posted by: Skate Sep 3 2004, 11:16 AM | ||
High Intensity Interval Training. Basically a cardio program that involves sprinting & jogging. If you need some info on it check here: http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=1416 |
| Posted by: Debaser Sep 3 2004, 11:29 AM |
| thanks Skate, you rock. I really need to start cutting, the girlies aren't looking at me anymore since I bulked up...LOL.... -TJ |
| Posted by: Skate Sep 5 2004, 06:40 PM |
| No prob De...glad it helped. Well this past week sucked for me with the stack. Didn't lose crap for weight. BUT...I sat down and reviewed my diet and realized it wasn't in check like I thought. Have been eating good, but calories were still to high. Revamping it now and am looking at around 1500 per day. I gotta get out of the habit of weighing myself everyday. Doesn't do anything but make me frustrated. Going to try and just do it once a week from now on. |
| Posted by: Speakle Sep 5 2004, 08:06 PM |
| Finished my stack yesterday. Dropped 3-4 pounds and about 2 1/2% bf. Not bad considering I did 3 days of cardio in 4 weeks. Anyway, I am starting a bulking cycle tomorrow, give my shin splint plenty of time to get all better and I will try the stack again. |
| Posted by: Skate Sep 14 2004, 07:35 AM |
| Hey Fran, you still around??? We've been neglecting your thread lately... |
| Posted by: franul@ Sep 14 2004, 10:39 AM |
| Skate, So much of S1+/M-1.4ADdiol stack........ |
| Posted by: Skate Sep 14 2004, 10:49 AM |
| Damn dude...really sorry to hear. I know it isn't easy to deal with. If you need to talk or just plain bitch about anything we're all here for you. |
| Posted by: franul@ Sep 14 2004, 10:51 AM |
| thanx.... |
| Posted by: GuardDog Sep 14 2004, 11:52 AM | ||
I second that. I tried to log in to your chat room but noone was there. I have a cat5 hurricane coming right in my back door in a day or two so I may not be online much, but will try and catch you on yahoo. |
| Posted by: Skate Sep 14 2004, 12:27 PM |
| Well I'm in the midst of filling bankruptcy....sounds like everything's going to shit for all of us! Wait...that ain't funny Well at least we all have eachother to bullshit with and keep the spirits up! |
| Posted by: Nate03 Sep 15 2004, 09:36 AM |
| Hi guys I've been reading this review and I've found all of your information to be invaluable. With that said I've made the decision to do an e/c/y stack. Here is my stack I wanted to get each component separately so I could Taylor doses if I got jittery. Vasopro Ephedrine HCl 25 mg Yohimbine HCl Caps 2.5 mg Caffeine Tablets 200 mg for only 4 weeks so should I cycle down or quit it cold turkey? At 3 times a day 3 hours apart does anyone see a problem? I currently do a 5 mile jog or a 15 mile bike ride every other day with very mild intermittent weight lifting(once a week), is a 6 pack by end of October a unrealistic goal?  I'm a prominant crime fighter so this disgise protects my identity.   |
| Posted by: Skate Sep 15 2004, 10:10 AM |
| LOL at the crimefighter comment... You can stop cold turkey. You might get some caffeine headaches though for a day or two. By end of October? Probably not going to happen. A lot depends on what your diet looks like and workout routine. If you're looking to strip bodyfat off then hitting the weights is just as important as cardio. Might want to try the HIIT route for cardio and see how that works. But I would really try and increase the gym time for lifting, at least 3 times a week and keep your current cardio schedule. I think every other day would be fine. Dosages look good, but I would spread them out a bit more. Try for something like morning, lunch, and then afternoon (or take this dose 30 min prior to working out). Granted the stimulant effects get milder over time, but that close together could cause some issues starting out. |
| Posted by: Nate03 Sep 20 2004, 08:20 AM |
| ECY = amazing energy After lifting and running I still feal like I could do more. The only side effect so far is feeling great. Drinking lots of water. Taken at 6:00 10:00 and 2:00 But I need some advice, to make the best of the Yohimbine when should I be eating? 8:00, 12:00, 4:00, 8:00? Or should I try to choke something down in the morning? |
| Posted by: John44006 Sep 21 2004, 02:06 PM |
| its the gauffisen (sp?) in the ephedrine thats making you want to puke, I think ima order some pure ephedrine I found it somewhere online at a research chem site so i can actually take the ephedrine before I eat. Vinpocetine is good for dealing with post ephedrine crashes because it upregulates adrenaline receptors so it could help you quitting cold turkey. |
| Posted by: BALDONE Sep 23 2004, 07:24 AM |
| fran, i feel for you man, been married 27 yrs and things are going to shit, and probably gonna have to file bankruptcy too....oh well, least i have all you guys here...sometimes, life just plain sucks ya know |
| Posted by: Nate03 Sep 23 2004, 09:42 AM | ||
Yes that must be it. I didn't think anthing of the gauffisen. I thought it was my cold comin on making me sick because ephedrine never upset my stomach before. At least it kills my appitite. |
| Posted by: Skate Oct 7 2004, 07:30 AM |
| Get your ass back on here Fran! |
| Posted by: franul@ Oct 12 2004, 05:09 AM |
| SIR, YES SIR!! I'm back for you guys......cought little cold but i'll be back on track very soon... |
| Posted by: Skate Oct 12 2004, 06:44 AM |
| Good to see you back Fran. Let us know how you're doing. Any plans on starting the ph cycle soon? |
| Posted by: GuardDog Oct 12 2004, 07:00 AM |
Alright Fran!!!!!  I hope you have plans to start one soon or at least has some stocked up with the ban coming in Jan. |
| Posted by: BALDONE Oct 12 2004, 07:14 AM |
| welcome back dude!! |
| Posted by: franul@ Oct 12 2004, 07:23 AM |
| Thanx guys! I have 4 bottles of S1+, 4 bottles of M1,4ADDiol and 2 bottled of M1T sžin my drawer.... As you know I started S1+ cycle but some unexpected problem got me away from it and from the gym.... When i get well from the mini flu i cought and start to train in the gym, i'll get my S1+/M1,4ADDiol stack running...... I'll keep you guys informed with all my progress, diet, training and pics of course...... p.s. It's good to be back.... |
| Posted by: BALDONE Oct 12 2004, 07:29 AM |
| hey fran, am ordering my first lipo stack today....cannot wait to see results..will keep ya posted |
| Posted by: franul@ Oct 12 2004, 07:33 AM |
| you'll be very pleased with the results... |
| Posted by: GuardDog Oct 12 2004, 07:40 AM |
| Fran, you didn't gain any of the weight back did you? |
| Posted by: franul@ Oct 12 2004, 09:14 AM |
| i have 174 lbs now.....12% BF..... |
| Posted by: PotRoast Oct 19 2004, 10:12 AM |
| I as well am going to start my Lipo6 Today. I start working out again after a nine month leave because of school and work! Watch out! |
| Posted by: franul@ Oct 25 2004, 10:15 AM |
| Now i'm really BACK!! My health is kicking and i'm ready to take over the world....... |
| Posted by: PotRoast Oct 25 2004, 10:23 AM |
| Fifth Day on the stack, I will give the Review of How things are going in Here and in my Journal update after i workout this afternoon |
| Posted by: MrBrownz Oct 27 2004, 04:51 PM |
| Ive been on a Lipo-6 and Vasopro stack for 3 weeks now. Before I started, I was running every day and losing nothing, but after 3 weeks running 5 days a week im 12 lbs down. Great stuff...for the first week I felt kind of cracked out..but that disappeared. |
| Posted by: Truxtc00 Oct 27 2004, 08:25 PM |
| I've been taking Lipo 6 with Vasopro for the past 4 days, start out with only 2 capsules for a whole day and i take it early in the morning and i would go on a whole day with a headache. Had anyone has a similar effect or it's just my body doesn't take Lipo 6 very well. I was fine with ECY stack and while taking a break from it, i thought i should try this since Fran@ was doing so great with this. Comments? |
| Posted by: Truxtc00 Oct 27 2004, 08:28 PM |
| BTW, i drink alot of water and i dont drink any other beverages and absolutely no alcohol or caffein, same diet and work out routine so i dont understand why i would have headaches while trying Lipo6. Any share experience would be appreciative. |
| Posted by: Skate Oct 28 2004, 07:29 AM |
| Hmm...that is odd. I didn't take any supps yesterday and had a killer caffeine headache last night. I've never really had headaches while taking the stack, though. Stress level has been threw the roof this week so maybe that's more the issue. Where you doing the EC stack 3x a day before? Cause if so then your caffeine intake shouldn't be any higher. |
| Posted by: rich_55 Oct 28 2004, 09:44 AM |
| I thought I would give a huge thank you to Fran and company for this this thread. As of a result of this thread, I started a Lipo6/Eph stack a week ago to cut up and I am already seeing results. It is only a 3-week cutting cycle, so the fact that I am noticing results already is great. I've lost 2 pounds after 6 days and am still getting stronger. Everyday I am noticing more muscle definition. I kind of wish I had taken a before picture now b/c this stack is great. Thanks guys. I've decided to start a journal and I'll post some after pics. |
| Posted by: Truxtc00 Oct 28 2004, 10:09 AM |
I wasn't stack 3 times with ECY before because i would stayed up all night if i did. With Lipo 6, i literally couldn't eat anything, appetite suppressant is great, i dont have end of the day crash like i did with ECY but i've had great results wth it. I haven't seen any result with Lipo yet, but the fact that i would have this killing headache for the whole day as soon as i take the stack and i can tell when the effect goes away is when the end of the day and i only take it once in the morning with 2 caps. Here is my stack in the morning: 2 caps of Lipo 6 (regular not liquid), 1 green tea extract, one vasopro, 1 omega 3,6,9. I'm thinking i will go back to my regular ECY today but i'll add one cap of Lipo with it, what do you guys think?  |
| Posted by: jeepman83706 Oct 28 2004, 04:47 PM |
| Thanks to Fran and this thread, I have now started the Lipo6/ephedrine stack just today. I am 6'2", 236 lbs, and 15.7% body fat. I have taken a few "before" pics, and hopefully in a month or so I can post that along with my progress, as long as I make some Can't wait to see how this works for me! |
| Posted by: copey Nov 2 2004, 06:32 PM |
| hey fran hows the s1+ going? and results/pics so far? |
| Posted by: slava Nov 2 2004, 08:54 PM |
| hey fran! thats some AMAZING progress! good job man! you seem to be about my size, but i weigh in about 195...whats your height? good like with your PH cycle! by the way did lipo-6 supress your appetite? I might run through my aas cycle to make sure i dont pack on tonns of fat. |
| Posted by: franul@ Nov 3 2004, 04:56 AM |
| i'm 180 cm....that's 5'9" i think..... Yes, LIPO-6/ephedrine hcl stack gives maximum supression of appetite, it really kicks ass my advice: GO FOR IT |
| Posted by: m_seats Nov 24 2004, 02:29 PM |
| Hey Fran, got anymore updated pics? I just got off of a 3 week cycle of m1t and 4ad and got tremendous strength gains and gained about 14 pounds. Now im ready for the lipo-6/ephedrine stack. Im gonna take it during my pct along with nolva, so i hope this doesnt hurt the effect of fat loss. |
| Posted by: Joshua54929 Dec 18 2004, 02:33 PM |
| Hey, I was wondering, I really want to try this stack that fran is taking, but i was curious about the ephedrine hci, is that the one that everyone is getting killed on? can someone please explain how dangerous it is? if its safe ill def try the lipo6/vasporo stack, thanks. |
| Posted by: franul@ Dec 19 2004, 08:11 AM |
| ephedrine hcl in some reasonable dosage is safe to take.....75 mg/day........ |
| Posted by: GuardDog Dec 19 2004, 09:04 AM | ||
25mg morning, 25mg noon, 25mg night I'd hate to see someone take 75mg all at once. I would be bouncing off the walls. LOL |
| Posted by: franul@ Dec 19 2004, 10:50 AM |
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| Posted by: Lannce Dec 19 2004, 10:23 PM |
| Started my ec stack this past week. I dont know if it is just me, but I started out with 3 servings of vasopro spread out over the day about 4 hrs apart. I didnt feel any jittery or energy rush effects. But then again I heard the epehdrine isnt half of what epehdra used to be!? By the way, its my first cutting stack and Im throwing in lipo 6 this week too! 2 caps with every serving of epehdrine!!! |
| Posted by: Skinner Dec 20 2004, 04:07 AM |
| Hi everyone I stumbled upon this site and have spent the last few hours going through all of the messages on it. I'm in the UK and am about to start on a goal of reaching 170lb by April (i'll be 33) I currently weigh in at 195lb. I just want to thank you all and especially Fran for all of the motivation and dedication he has shown. I have been looking at taking sone form of stack and would like some help on it. You all mention Lipo6 and Vaspro, are these both ephedrine based product and what is the combination I should take, What about caffeine??  regards Skinner |
| Posted by: franul@ Dec 20 2004, 04:19 AM |
| Lipo-6 doesn't contains epedrine. It contains Synerphine HCL, mild version of ephedrine. I took 1 vasopro + 2 LIPO-6, 3 times a day....8am, noon and 4pm......Lipo-6 needs some time to kick in so in week, week and a half top, you'll see results |
| Posted by: Skinner Dec 20 2004, 04:27 AM |
| Your a legend Fran! Thanks mate, sod work! I'm going to look for some bits and pieces now and get set for the New Year. I'll get some pics of myself too and chart my course on here. Hope all the other bollocks with your woman is sorted out, not that it's any of my business!! Cheers Skinner |
| Posted by: franul@ Dec 20 2004, 04:30 AM |
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| Posted by: Lannce Dec 20 2004, 12:47 PM |
| Fran: what are your thoughts of 2 weeks on ephedrine/lipo 6. 1 serving of vasopro, 2 servings of lipo for 2 weeks on then 2 weeks off? Since you say it takes a bit for the lipo to kick in, it doesnt sound like it would make since. But im going on a 2 month cutting cycle and and contemplating if I should go two weeks on, two off. 1 month on, a few weeks off, or just go the whole damn 2 months on. lol |
| Posted by: Joshua54929 Dec 20 2004, 02:01 PM |
| hey, i just got the vasporo and im waiting on the lipo 6 to start the stack, im going to start off 2*2 on the lipo 6 and 1*2 on the vasporo fo rhte first week and then bump it up to 2*3 and 1*3, hope it works, ttyl, thanks fran and everyone else for all your help, josh |
| Posted by: Skinner Dec 20 2004, 02:01 PM | ||
Did you take any caffeine or Asprin with this?? |
| Posted by: franul@ Dec 20 2004, 04:48 PM |
| 2 caps of LIPO-6 already contain 200 mg of caffeine hcl, there is no need for aditional caffeine intake.... |
| Posted by: Debaser Jan 5 2005, 02:02 PM |
| Damn I havent posted in almost 4 months!!! Guess what a great fat burner is?? Ritalin! My doctor diagnosed me with adult ADD and since I have been on ritalin for a month, I've lost 10lbs! I was going to try vasopro/lipo6 till i got on ritalin. :-) Congrats though Fran on your diet. Lets see some current pictures. |
| Posted by: desprado2 Jan 10 2005, 09:32 PM |
| I've read this long thread and that stack sounds great. Can someone tell me if LIpo- 6 is the same as Lean System 7? If it is similar can I stack Vasopro with Lean System 7? Thank you. I'm 6'0" 187 lbs. with 20% bf. I want to get down in bf. I eat 6 meals a day 3 of which are myoplex and I do weights 3 x week and cardio HIIT 3 x week. |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 11 2005, 03:00 AM |
| Lean system 7 is herb based fatburner. Lipo-6 contains synerphine HCL, yohimbine HCL, caffeine USP......Vasopro is also ephedrine HCL.... |
| Posted by: Pitfan04 Jan 11 2005, 06:19 PM |
| I was wondering what everyones input was on stacking the compounds yall are talking about with Clenbuterol. Maybe doing 3 weeks Lipo/Eph and then 3 weeks of Clen....swapping back and forth for a total of 12 weeks. |
| Posted by: desprado2 Jan 11 2005, 08:21 PM |
| Thank you Franul for the reply. Does anyone think it is a good idea to take Vasopro with my existing Lean System 7 and is LS 7 any good? I've just started taking it. I haven't done any supplements for 5 years when I used to take Dymatradine 25 Ephedrine with vivarin and aspirin with some L-Tyrosine to boot. Man, what a rush! |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 12 2005, 03:29 AM |
| I don't know what to say.... I tried LIPO-6/Vasopro stack and it's great and i will recommend it to anyone. |
| Posted by: Gwilym Jan 12 2005, 06:07 AM |
| where can I buy some Vasopro Ephedrine HCl, everywhere seems to be out of stock and I'd like to start the lipo-6 / ephedrine stack asap. Anyone have any ideas? |
| Posted by: Skinner Jan 12 2005, 07:07 AM |
| Thanks foir all your help a week or so Fran & evryone for their postings. I got my lipo 6 end Eph aweek ago and started on it, trouble is I've been a bit I'll too so I havn't been working out! Must admit I do feel a bit puky when I take it all and I'm finding it hard to sleep at night, probbaly due to not working out though! Diet is pretty good and I start the gym at the weekend. Age 32 Height 5' 8" Starting weight 196 pounds Body fat 27% Bit embarrased to post a piture to be honest but I'll try - if it works I'm sorry to any ladies out there!! |
| Posted by: Skinner Jan 12 2005, 07:08 AM |
| SHIT IT WORKED!!! |
| Posted by: GuardDog Jan 12 2005, 07:50 AM | ||
I think nutraplanet has some. |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 12 2005, 08:53 AM |
| Bulk nutrition also has it in stock..... http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=50 |
| Posted by: GuardDog Jan 12 2005, 09:06 AM | ||
Oh that's even better, I thought that person was saying BulkNut didn't have any either. |
| Posted by: Skinner Jan 12 2005, 12:32 PM |
| When doing the Lipo stack has anyone been concerned about getting enough calories down their neck? I'm really struggling to eat and I have just calculated that I'v eaten about 400 calories in a day!!! I don;t feel hungry but I do feel like I'm going to puke! Don;t want to whinge about it but anyone else had this?? |
| Posted by: copey Jan 12 2005, 12:59 PM |
| yea, its going to be hard to eat especially when first starting the stack... but 400 calories a day is not healthy at all. try to force yourself to eat something to get those cals up a bit. otherwise youre going to be doing more harm than good. dont want to be starving your body! |
| Posted by: Skinner Jan 12 2005, 01:10 PM |
| Cheers Copey, It's all a bit new so I want to make sure I doi it right, I'll try and up it by about 1000 cals this evening. Easy to do if I could eat pizza, maybe a whole turkey instead! |
| Posted by: copey Jan 12 2005, 02:21 PM |
| ha. yea im sure if the food you could be eating was pizza and cookies, thered be no problem getting those cals up! |
| Posted by: Gwilym Jan 13 2005, 07:28 AM |
| Just about to start my stack, have posted my routine and rough diet in the training forum, I ordered some ephedrine HCL in 12.5mg by accident so should I just take 2 tabs 3 times daily instead, and then 1, 3 times daily when the 25mg tabs come through? I will be taking photos every other day for 12 weeks so should hopefully make an interesting slide show, aslo im having a 3d silouhette picture taken so that should be interesting also. Take a look at my routine http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=9486 Let me know what you guys think. Thanks |
| Posted by: Knight Seeker Jan 14 2005, 10:26 AM |
| Hey Fran thx for starting this thread and I do like the product. Lypo-6 and I stack it with Ephederine pills. I am starting my fifth week and the stuff is really good. I have not dropped any body weight as of yet but I am leaning out more still at 214lbs since I started taking the stuff and my weight has not changed but my body would tell you differently bodyfat wise Also I do these kinds of thing so you know I have to always stay in shape, since I was a big pleasently plumped boy at 285lbs 48 waist about 4 years ago, now 214 33 waist and I am 6'1. Thanks again Fran for suggesting this new product I really do like it even though in the first week I had the Bathroom problem like some of us did in the beginging. I say just get though the first couple of weeks and the rest of the time your on Lypc-6 you'll be fine. Cant wait to see how I will look in 7 more weeks to complet my 3 months cycle. Eric aka Knight Seeker    |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 14 2005, 12:34 PM |
| no problem |
| Posted by: HOVER Jan 15 2005, 07:04 PM |
| Fran, whatever happened to your bulking phase? I don't think you posted much detail on that. I tried dosing Lipo-6 @ 2 caps 3x per day. 1st day my heart was racing and I couldn't sit still for long from all the caffeine. My appetite was suppressed somewhat, and I felt like throwing up even though I rarely ate much...so for those of you who felt that, you're not alone. Nausea combined with insomnia from the product made me feel like sh*t, however I shall continue due to Fran's inspiration. |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 16 2005, 06:06 AM |
| i didn't have much time and my CF card in my camera died ........if you guys have any questions about my bulking cycle, feel free to ask...... Also, i'm glad that my review helped a lot of people to decide in LIPO-6/ephedrine stack |
| Posted by: HOVER Jan 16 2005, 10:57 AM |
| When you bulked, did you eat everything you can lay hands on or were you discriminate about what enters your body? When I bulk up, I try to stay away from too many fats, such as those from burgers (I want to be bulky, but not fat). However no matter what I cannot put on lean bulk, unlike what a few people have told me. Bulking means putting on lovehandles and such for me. How did you do it Fran? |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 16 2005, 01:45 PM |
| I have diet made up for me by my friend (thanx mike), and i gained only 4-5% BF in 31 lbs total... I didn't get love handles either |
| Posted by: fire3006 Jan 16 2005, 07:22 PM |
| I just want to clearify something. I started taking the lipo6 and HCL on friday. About 30 minutes after I take the pills I feel a "cold pit" like im going to vomitt in my chest and I feel like I have indigestion. Is this common for everyone that has taken this product? I am concerned about this and if this is abnormal I will immediately discontinue use of this product. Please advise ASAP. Thanks, Colin |
| Posted by: GuardDog Jan 16 2005, 09:46 PM |
| If it is your first time, you may need to get used to it. Try taking half the dosage and see how that works. |
| Posted by: Knight Seeker Jan 17 2005, 12:26 AM |
| Yes I aggree it takes a little time for your body to get use to the product. Give it 2 weeks and you should be fine. Knight Seeker |
| Posted by: Katie55362 Jan 24 2005, 10:25 AM |
| I just started this stack and I cannot stop coughing, especially at night...has anyone else had that problem? |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 24 2005, 12:27 PM |
| I think it's about Guaifenesin in vasopro |
| Posted by: davegaur Jan 25 2005, 03:40 PM |
| I heard Synephine (Citrus Aurantium) + Ephedra is bad to take together because Synephine is essentially a weaker version of Ephedra. the Lipo6 and Lean System 7 have this ingrediant, any opinions? |
| Posted by: matthew59458 Jan 31 2005, 09:52 AM |
| Fran, I am considering taking this stack and have a question. I have some M-Dien left over after the ban and was wondering if it would be a good idea to throw it in the stack to prevent muscle loss and if so when? If this question is in the wrong forum please advise me. |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 31 2005, 10:08 AM |
| That is great idea! what are your stats? weight, BF%? |
| Posted by: matthew59458 Jan 31 2005, 10:26 AM |
| Current stats are as follows: 5'9" 205-210 neck 16 3/4 chest 48 waist 36 biceps approx 16 3/4-17 bf%=??? I "believe I have a pretty good build under all of my fat but I have never done a bf% in my life. I have been lifting for size and strength for about 2-3 years and have never even considered "cutting up" before. I am going to order a bf% calc along with the stack to get measurements for before and after. This will be my first real attempt at cutting and let me tell you I am scared shitless. I mean all I know how to do is bulk! So if you have any advice on tips, diet, etc...feel free. Also, I only have one bottle of the PH, when do you think I should throw that into the mix and at what dosages? |
| Posted by: Knight Seeker Jan 31 2005, 11:03 AM |
| I would like to see your progress as you go along Matthew. As for myself I am halfway through Fran's cycle another 6 weeks to go. I look better each week and I have maintained a 210-214 mark since and just getting more of my cellulite down which I wanted to do the whole time. My muscularity was already there I just needed to cut up. Good luck Matt and the stuff does work. Knight Seeker |
| Posted by: matthew59458 Jan 31 2005, 11:20 AM |
| You know Id like to stop for just a moment to thank Fran for his experimentation with the stack and for posting his progress, journals, and results. I think we should just go ahead and make it official and change the nmae of the stack from Lipo-6/Ephedrine to just "The Fran Stack"! hahaha |
| Posted by: matthew59458 Jan 31 2005, 11:21 AM |
| On a serious note, I will keep you posted on my progress when I start. Just gotta figure the Ph dosages out first! |
| Posted by: franul@ Jan 31 2005, 12:09 PM |
| with your weight you can start with 5mg ED and increase the dosage by 2mgs each week. I also used MD and i had great results with 9mgs ED....... I'm glad you guys find this post helpful |
| Posted by: lynnmichael Feb 1 2005, 08:42 PM |
| Hey guys, newbie here. I just bought my first round of lipo6. My stats are: 6'6" 240 lbs. No idea what the body fat % is. In truth, I don't wanna know I do have muscle underneath the flab, and thats all I want to bring out. I don't want to get "huge". I just want to tone and tighten up a bit. I only have time to eat maybe 2 times a day. I'm busy and just don't have much time to prepare food. So I'm going to do the health shake a couple times a day, and try to eat for breakfast and dinner. Can you give me any tips? My workouts are pretty simple. Push-ups, walking, stationary bike and crunches. Like I said, I don't want to get huge, so I'm not going to do the heavy weight training. I really want to trim my waist and chest area. Again, any tips? Feel free to post them. I'll check in every couple of days. Wish me luck, Michael |
| Posted by: VIjay63307 Feb 6 2005, 06:55 PM |
| Hello all. Thanks to everyone for posting their experiences. I just ordered LIPO-6 + Vasopro from BulkNutrition and am anxious to give it a shot. I'm 5-10, 170lbs, unknown BF, and a decent amount of muscle. I would just like to cut up to expose my muscle a bit more, and ofcourse tone the midsection (which is what I'm really after). I'll be shooting for a ~2000cal diet, with a good amount of protein. Are most of you taking any Glutamine as well in your protein shakes? Also when is the best time(s) to take the stack? On cardio days, I'm in the gym around 8am to do cardio. Should I take the stack before, or after the cardio? On weight days, I go to the gym around 7pm. Any advice would be appriciated. Thanks. |
| Posted by: franul@ Feb 7 2005, 03:49 AM |
| 30 - 45 minutes prior cardio training..... I took it 8am - noon - 4pm |
| Posted by: VIjay63307 Feb 7 2005, 11:37 AM |
| Thanks for the info Fran. What Amino Acids were you taking along with your nutrition? You were cycling 6weeks on 2 weeks off, but always took them on the weekends right? I'll post some before/after pictures as well of my progress. Can't wait to get started. |
| Posted by: franul@ Feb 7 2005, 12:13 PM |
| I took AMINO FUEL fro Twinlab..... |
| Posted by: BALDONE Feb 7 2005, 01:39 PM |
| hey fran we're all still waiting for those latest before an after pics dude |
| Posted by: franul@ Feb 7 2005, 04:55 PM |
| i know.....sorry guys, i have so much work to do and my compactflash card is broken |
| Posted by: godsson96792 Feb 7 2005, 06:12 PM |
| did you feel like you lost any strength while you were on this cycle? |
| Posted by: franul@ Feb 8 2005, 03:11 AM |
| hmmmm..... I think very little |
| Posted by: Gwilym Feb 8 2005, 05:02 AM |
| I'm having my bodyfat readings taken again tonight, had them doen 2 and 1/2 weeks ago and was at 18%, now 18 days later on this stack with good diet and training im hopeing to have at least dropped by 1%, will post the reuslts tomorrow. Also I had 3D silouhette pics taken on my first day, i 'm going wo wait another 3 weeks or so to have them done again and will post scans up then. They're interesting becasue you can see all the contours of your body without lighting being an issue. |
| Posted by: lewis28759 Feb 8 2005, 08:26 AM |
| I just thought i would say this is the best stack i have tried for fat loss. I added green tea extract at 1200 mg a day also. I started off taking 2 pills with ephedrine and green tea 2 times a day then bumped it up to 3 times a day after 2 weeks. I followed ud 2.0 diet and training and i dropped from 195 to about 188 in 4 weeks. My bodyfat i have not been able to check but i was around 17-18 and now i am at 12-14 percent. Thumbs up for this stack. |
| Posted by: Gwilym Feb 8 2005, 09:14 AM |
| thats a great result 3% bodyfat reduction in a month, i hope mine is dropping at the same rate. I started taken 3x2 lipo-6 and 3x 25mg ephedrine a day, for 2 weeks, now im at 3x2 lipo-6 with 37.5mg at 8 then 12, and then 25mg at 4pm. I have not ahd any sides from the ephedrine from the start and have read in numerous places that you can use up to 100mg per day safely. Im pretty excited about getting my results tonight! |
| Posted by: lewis28759 Feb 8 2005, 11:19 PM |
| The only side i got was rapid heart beat and that only happened in the last week and a half with the last dose. Also i reccomend ud2.0 to anyone. It is by far the quickest way to shed bodyfat. However it is a very time consuming and hard diet to follow but the results will make you want to keep going. |
| Posted by: Gwilym Feb 9 2005, 03:56 AM |
| the bodyfat machine was broken so couldnt have that done. However weighed myself on their scales and i'm down from 228.8lbs to 222.2lbs |
| Posted by: franul@ Feb 9 2005, 11:17 AM |
| caliper is best thing to have at home, you can check your BF in notime..... http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=697 |
| Posted by: Cyberstorm Feb 9 2005, 12:43 PM |
| Product not found |
| Posted by: franul@ Feb 9 2005, 05:06 PM |
| link works perfectly here..... This is it, costs 12$ |
| Posted by: Cyberstorm Feb 10 2005, 08:25 AM |
| I'm talking about the Lipo looking to shed a little fat while maintaining mass |
| Posted by: franul@ Feb 10 2005, 08:39 AM |
| LIPO-6 Liqui caps http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=1338 |
| Posted by: virginia63061 Feb 16 2005, 09:08 AM |
| I've been reading this forum and find it very useful. I started a couple of days ago! I could have started earlier but I was sick and on certain meds and didnt want to mix them up... So far I love the product. I'm taking it twice a day to start. I need help though. I don't know if my diet is any good. My diet consists of the following: breakfast: 2 strips turkey bacon and two eggs (no salt just black pepper) and some green tea mid snack: turkey or chicken wrap (without the tortilla, use romaine lettuce instead) lunch: chicken or fish with a salad snack:cheese and some celery with peanut butter dinner:salad, and some kind of meat, like fish or chicken (eating red meat once a week) and drinking a gallon of water a day (i had forgotten that "I have to pee every 5 minutes feeling" ) I'm working out, with some cardio and hitting the weights. does my diet sound any good? and how do i calculate again how many calories a day I should be consuming? What about sodium? I'm trying to cut back in sodium intake and am trying to calcute how many calories i'm consuming as well as what I'm eating. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could give me some feedback. |
| Posted by: tintinet Feb 16 2005, 10:55 AM |
| Caloric requirements/expenditure, etc.... http://www.nutritiondata.com/calories-burned.html |
| Posted by: Gwilym Feb 17 2005, 12:44 PM | ||
What is this diet? |
| Posted by: NOS Feb 17 2005, 01:12 PM | ||||
Ultimate Diet 2.0 by Lyle McDonald go to http://www.c-k-d.com to find more Fran and others.. great thread. Lipo6/Ephedrine was one of my first stacks and definitely showed the best results. Since then, I've tried HEAT, Scorch, HOT-ROX, and old school Hydroxycut ... with lesser results. Thanks to this thread and overwhelming results - I'm ordering that stack today!! |
| Posted by: novice_bodybuilder_22 Feb 28 2005, 03:10 PM |
| Hi Fran! First of all, thanx for this great review very helpful for all (i think). Fran can you please tell me exactly (step-by-step) how do you perform your HIIT in the stationary bike?? (times, mph, etc.) i am a begginer in bodybuilding world, any advice would be very helpful for me. Thanx a lot budy Carl. |
| Posted by: novice_bodybuilder_22 Feb 28 2005, 03:33 PM | ||
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| Posted by: franul@ Feb 28 2005, 05:32 PM |
| Carl, You have PM |
| Posted by: novice_bodybuilder_22 Mar 2 2005, 10:13 AM | ||
Hey thanx for the message Fran, very helpful, you are one of the good guys in the forum, thanx a lot budy! I hope reach results like you in a 3-4 months on Lipo-6/Vasopro. Another question fran, my diet now is very similar like yours, 200 gr Protein, etc. but instead of multivitamins and Amino Fuel Liquid, i take Animal Pak, it contains a good multivitamins and aminoacids too. What do you think? Or you think i need to buy Amino Fuel too?? Thanx again Carl. |
| Posted by: franul@ Mar 2 2005, 04:50 PM |
| i'm not a fan of Universal, but it seems ok.... |
| Posted by: Unrealnb Mar 2 2005, 06:39 PM |
| Question: Is it normal for the lipo6 tabs to be ... slightly oily? I noticed when I got my bottle they had a bit of oil on them. Ingrediants diffusing out or bad container? |
| Posted by: sanjay786 Mar 3 2005, 03:26 AM |
| Hey there, I believe this is to be normal with Lipo6 liqui-caps... all my bottles are like that too...I also think other mentioned the same before... it's all good! sanjay |
| Posted by: SwoleRunner Mar 17 2005, 09:16 AM |
| what works better the lipo 6 reg. or liquid caps and how much sesathin stuff is in the liquid caps??? |
| Posted by: copey Mar 17 2005, 09:31 AM |
| theres no sesathin in any of the Lipo-6 caps. theres no real difference between the liquicaps and reg. caps, the liquid caps have quicker deliver is all. |
| Posted by: SwoleRunner Mar 17 2005, 09:34 AM |
| ok i just looked @ the ingrediants in the liquid caps it has sesame oil - same shit that's in sesathin rite???? and how much ???? or is sesame oil different so does the liquid caps work better becuz they cost more??? i'm lookin 2 save if i can |
| Posted by: copey Mar 17 2005, 09:52 AM |
| if youre looking to save, go with a typical EC or ECY stack. |
| Posted by: Brownstown Apr 5 2005, 11:07 PM |
| [FONT=Arial] Hey guys,my names roger and i just joined after reading the forum and im very impressed with frans results. i just ordered LIPO-6 today but didnt get the vasopro. Should i take the vasopro? I'm 5'11 225lbs bf%n/a and im looking to lose fat and get big. i'm kinda new to it so i just want a little help. thanks |
| Posted by: Dyce Apr 7 2005, 05:51 AM |
| Poster Boy... I am about to attempt the stack and I want to know what you suggest as far as dosages of both lipo-6 and vasopro. And how long do you take it. |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 7 2005, 08:58 AM |
| dyce check your PM |
| Posted by: Muscle_Man Apr 7 2005, 09:19 AM |
| Hey fran is nice to see you around here again |
| Posted by: ucfmagic@hotmail.com Apr 7 2005, 10:06 AM |
| Where can I find Vasopro Ephedrine? |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 7 2005, 12:37 PM |
| http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=50 |
| Posted by: soulrippeR Apr 7 2005, 07:11 PM |
| Hello everyone, I just ordered a stack of Lipo 6/ Vasopro HCL, two bottles of each. Anyways, I was planning on doing HIIT training 3 times a week. Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, along with weightlifting on Monday( Biceps, Triceps, Chest, Abs, Core), Wednesday (Shoulders, Back, Lowerback, Calves, Abs, Core) and Friday (Legs, Abs, Core, Chest, and some otehr misc. things). Anyways, I am about 6'2" and 239lbs. any other tips for the stack or some workout modifications? BTW, I am also planning to take Muscle Milk post workouts and eat some cottage cheese before bed. Do you think this will workout? Thanks, Kris |
| Posted by: Dyce Apr 8 2005, 02:18 PM |
| Hey Fran, What was your diet and training like? What types of foods did you eat and about what times? Also what was your workout? I would love to know. |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 8 2005, 03:43 PM |
| first you tell me did you get my PM? |
| Posted by: Dyce Apr 8 2005, 04:24 PM |
| Yeah, I got it. Thanks alot. I really appreciate it. |
| Posted by: soulrippeR Apr 11 2005, 01:33 PM |
| Hey Fran, If you have some spare time, do you think you can send me your diet plan and exercise routine. Thank you, Kris |
| Posted by: Dyce Apr 11 2005, 01:43 PM |
| Fran, I would like that too. Send it to me also. It would help out a lot. |
| Posted by: BALDONE Apr 11 2005, 02:37 PM |
| fran ......would like your plan also.............please.............. |
| Posted by: Sir Charles Brown Apr 11 2005, 03:03 PM |
| Baldy...didn't I hear you say you were gonna try Lipo6 + E? Have you started yet? I started today. The E really gave me a jolt as it has been a while since I have taken it. |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 12 2005, 02:57 AM |
Didn't i put somewhere in this thread my training routine? earlier?  |
| Posted by: BALDONE Apr 12 2005, 06:41 AM |
| yeah charlie....soon as i get money together gonna order and try...let me know how your progress is bud |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 12 2005, 07:30 AM |
| i started LIPO6/ephedrine stack again |
| Posted by: Dyce Apr 12 2005, 08:29 AM |
| I am currently weighing in at 220lbs and I am 5'9". What do you think is a good weight for me to reach for? And Fran...do you cycle on and off? |
| Posted by: Dyce Apr 12 2005, 08:30 AM |
| Fran, I recall you saying something about you bulking up...what supplements would you use to bulk up if any. |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 12 2005, 08:46 AM |
| for bulking i was using S1+/M1,4ADDiol stack |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 12 2005, 08:47 AM | ||
i did cycle it..... 12 weeks on/ 2 weeks off |
| Posted by: NOS Apr 19 2005, 12:30 PM | ||
Fran- I noticed in your first cycle, you took 2 liquid caps and 1 Vasopro Eph 3x day... assuming morning, before lunch and PreWorkout.. Are you following same dosage your second time around? I've just started taking the Lipo/Eph stack again, tried it last year, saw good results, but nothing crazy.. This time I'm following a strict clean diet.. hoping for results like yours ! thanks |
| Posted by: matt59618 Apr 19 2005, 02:12 PM |
| anybody out there try the lipo-6 and ephedrine stack while on PH? just curious on the effects of the fat-burning stack while on an anabolic.... i am contemplating a cutting-type cycle on sledge's juice and was wondering if anyone has tried it? im trying to basically keep my body weight the same at over 200 but take the bf% down from ~15 to ~8.... so that would mean gaining some major muscle mass in there to replace the fat. any and all help MUCH appreciated. |
| Posted by: LippyJr Apr 20 2005, 01:35 PM |
| (New Member) I've been soaking up all of the information here and it is really refreshing. My question is I have been taking the Lipo-6 (2pills 3x daily-ephedra free liquid caps) pills and seem to be getting good results along with my diet and exercise (run outdoors & indoors 6-8x week for 20-30min @ 6.8-7.5 mph). I just recently last week came across some pre-ban Dymetadrine Xtreme with Ephedrine and thought I would benefit more by stacking these with the Lipo-6. I now am taking 1 Lipo and 1 DX 3x daily instead of just 2 lipo-6 3x daily. I have been doing this for just over 1 week. Do you think this is going to work better? I have a high tolerance for caffeine and ephedra although I take only the recommended dose. I was thinking of taking the lipo-6 (2 pills) 3x daily along with the DX (1 pill) 3x daily (either at same times or staggered)? These are the normal recommendations separately per brand, I would only be combining them (thereby increasing overall recommended combined). Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. Sorry, here is some of my background: I haven't drank in 5 weeks (due to wanting to get healthy and fit) and I quit smoking 6 weeks ago. I have been on the SouthBeach diet/exercise religiously (no cheating) since April 4th. I am 30 years old, 5'8" and was 180lbs but after 2 weeks of my diet-exercise-pills am now 174lbs. My fat is 75% a Bud Light stomach pouch that I am targeting to lose. I don't know what my BF% is but I am guessing probably around low 20's but not sure. I am only on the SouthBeach diet temporarily and am looking at finding a better balanced eating plan down the road that consists of staying healthy and fit (overall goal along with 6pack abs which is my dream goal). I am basically trying to cut down and preserver what muscle I currently have and then I will look to build muscle once I can afford my new weight gym for home. I'll try to post some pictures if I can figure out how. |
| Posted by: LippyJr Apr 20 2005, 01:46 PM |
| Here is one that shows more of what I'm trying to get rid of, both pictures were taken today after my first 2 weeks of deit/exercise and a 5-6lb loss. |
| Posted by: tufnutz Apr 20 2005, 02:26 PM |
| Good for you in deciding to change your diet, quit smoking and stop drinking. Looks as if you were drinking everyday. Cutting out the beer is the best thing. Alcohol is the worst for your body. There are plenty of really good diets posted on this site. Read some of the posts in the diet and nutrition section. I think Dymetadrine Xtreme + the Lipo-6 may be overkill. I would stick to the Lipo-6 and the E. I would add an aspirin if you have problems controlling your hunger. I would also add fish oil (6g of the epa/dha). |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 21 2005, 12:38 AM |
| NOS, I take it as last time, no dosage change 3xday |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Apr 22 2005, 11:00 AM |
| I just ordered my 2nd bottle of Lipo 6. I went through the first bottle and saw pretty good results (lost ~ 7 lb. fat in one month). I wasn't stacking it with anything else, like vasopro. I just took it by itself 2 pills 3x per day. Once upon wakening, once before lunch, and once before workouts. I wasn't targeting strictly weight-loss, of course, but fat-loss while maintaining muscle, which can be difficult. I took various protein supps, glutamine, omega-3 caps, cell-tech (i know, i know lol). My strength increased throughout the month, so I am assuming I did not lose much muslce, if any. Even with the added sugar PWO from the Cell-Tech, I still saw good drops (visibly noticable) in fat. I would recommend this to anyone who hasn't tried it before. |
| Posted by: lalareb05 Apr 28 2005, 12:43 PM |
| how about vasopro and hydroxycut? I think i might try stacking those two and see if i get results. Has anyone had any experiences with these two together? If it doesnt work i guess i'll go for the lipo 6 and vasopro. |
| Posted by: lalareb05 Apr 28 2005, 01:30 PM |
| ah nevermind....i just ordered some lipo 6. After everything said on this thread i HAVE to try lip 6 and vasporo together. I'll update on the progress |
| Posted by: franul@ Apr 29 2005, 08:57 AM |
| I'm really glad that this thread has so many views and replys |
| Posted by: pano May 2 2005, 09:24 AM |
| Started this stack today. 5'9 210. Stalky build. Will post pics of before and after. After reading through these posts this is exactly what I have been looking for. "I have never felt this good on a Monday morning" -Pano |
| Posted by: novice_bodybuilder_22 May 5 2005, 12:41 PM |
| Great info fran, (thanx for HIIT tip on stationary bike) AWESOME stack! ! ! ! ! Great results (for me at least) drop from 26% bf to 18% in 2 months (started on feb 28) and drop from 225 lbs to 205 lbs. GREAT! ! ! My supps: Vasopro 1 tablet 3x day Lipo-6 Liqui-Caps 2 caps 3xday ON Fish Oils 7 caps 3x day Animal Pak 1 Pack a day (before workout) Lean Green 1 pill 3xday 160 oz of water per day (at least) Low carb diet, lots of protein (ON 100% Whey CHOCOLATE mmm, tuna, chicken breast, cottage chesse, etc), divided in 6 meals, every 2.5 to 3 hours betwen each meal. Lift 6 times a week in the afternoon, HIIT 5 times per week in the morning (on stationary bike). I think i lost some muscle mass, but was minimum, and lost great amount of fat, COOL! This is the best stack anywere ! ! !, please don t buy any other termogenic, first try this. Good Luck guys ! ! ! (Sorry about my bad english) |
| Posted by: Sanela37120 May 6 2005, 06:46 PM |
| readin all these GREATT reviews about lipo6 i think im gonna order a bottle =) .. quick question though .. whats the difference between the liquid caps and regular...and which is BETTER?? also i cant vasporo anywhere..im done with my botttleeee HAHAthanx much guys |
| Posted by: franul@ May 7 2005, 02:25 AM |
| Hi there! Here is the link for vasopro http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=50 About liqui or non-liqui caps.......i think that liqui caps have better delivery |
| Posted by: Speakle May 7 2005, 08:41 PM |
| HEY FRAN! Good to see ya around again. Where you been? |
| Posted by: Sanela37120 May 8 2005, 09:33 AM |
| THANX FRAN i just ordered them!! ...another question lol .. how should i take it? .. by readin through the threads i noticed people take 2 lipo 3X a day ..and 1vasopro 3X a day ...is that ok?? THANX AGAIN =) |
| Posted by: franul@ May 8 2005, 10:58 AM |
| it's ok to take them like that but you must get used to them. take them like this: first 2 days you take 1x Lipo and 1x half of ephedrine 2 times a day, best if it's 8:00am and 4:00pm Then for another 2 days you take 1x Lipo and 1x whole ephedrine 2 times a day same time as above. Then, 2x lipo and 1x ephedrine 2 times a day for 3-4 days And final you take 2x lipo and 1x ephedrine 3 times a day 8:00am, noon and 4:00pm |
| Posted by: Sanela37120 May 8 2005, 02:55 PM | ||
thanx much babe =) any suggestions on what kinda workoutttt i should do .. im at the gym like 5 times a week...usually just do like 40 min of cardio and whatever else lol ... |
| Posted by: MLE73647 May 9 2005, 07:45 PM |
| Hi, guys/girls... I am Female and I just purchased LIPO-6....I train 3 days a week with a personal trainer...and do 30-40min of cardio 6 days a week. I am at 116 now only a drop from 118...my bf has dropped from 21 to 19 percent in the last 4 weeks. I am not trying to bulk up, I just want to see the definition I am building....do you think LIPO-6 can help?....I started it today...and do not feel jittery, good sign since I am sensative to caffine...does anyone have any input for me? |
| Posted by: franul@ May 10 2005, 02:38 AM |
| Since you have personal trainer, i think he/she is the most competent person to tell you what type of training you need to do while on Lipo-6/ephedrine |
| Posted by: lalareb05 May 10 2005, 11:02 AM |
| i FINALLY got the vasopro yesterday (yes it took almost a week and a half...one website didnt have them in stock...drama...blah) ANYWAY. So i didn't get to the mailbox til 6 (exams...yuk) but i decided i needed to try them out immediately. I've been taking the lipo6 for about a week now and i dont feel like they've been doing a whole lot. Anyway i took one lipo with one vasopro and WOW...it was like 11th grade all over again. I took stacker in 11th grade and I got those same feelings from vasopro....a little shaky, kinda anxious to get up and do something. Then i went and worked out and i have never sweated (is that a word?) so much in my life! I ran about 2 miles and walked 1 so it's not like a did a whole lot, but my shirt was completely soaked....no joke. And it was actually a great run...i havent had a run like that since december. Anyway, i'll keep y'all updated on the progress. I took a before picture...YUK...so in a few weeks i'll post an after pic. Oh i'm also using lipoderm-y. I started saturday and so far i can't tell much of a difference....but it's only been 3 days so i'll give it more time. |
| Posted by: srt298 May 14 2005, 01:35 PM |
| Fran, Just wanted to say congrats on the hard work and the fact that you've stuck with this thread so long and took your time to field questions... I'm just finishing off an SD cycle that I'm cutting a week short - 3wks rather than 4 and will be trying out the Lipo/E stack as soon as I finish PCT. Just wanted to say thanks.... |
| Posted by: franul@ May 14 2005, 02:56 PM |
| No problem! That's why we are here.......to help each other |
| Posted by: Dwain74089 May 15 2005, 10:04 AM |
| hey, im new to the board. i have read through this whole thread and looks like some pretty good info here. im interested in the lipo6, but im not sure if i want to take the vasopro. will the lipo still be some what effective with excercise? |
| Posted by: franul@ May 17 2005, 02:52 AM |
| Speakle, Sorry i didn't see your reply on the top of the page. Where i was? Here and there, bulking with one great guy as my personal trainer. I will recommend him to everyone who wants to build quality muscle and burn fat after that. I'll post some pics in a few days, because i started lipo/vasopro stack again. |
| Posted by: NOS May 17 2005, 02:19 PM | ||
Not likely. The combination of caffeine and ephedrine is what burns fat. You may see some results taking just Lipo6, (it's a good product) but nowhere near the shred you'll get if you stack it w/ E. This is my second time to take Lipo/Vasopro and the fat is literally falling off. especially in my abs/love handles... but that's also bc I'm following a strict diet this time around. good luck in whatever you decide! |
| Posted by: Dwain74089 May 18 2005, 08:53 PM |
| ok, thanks for the reply. ill have to think about what i am going to try. my wife does not want me to take the ephedrine because my blood pressure go's up and down. it's mostly normal, but has been a little high a couple times at doctor visits. any other suggestions? again, thanks for the reply. |
| Posted by: franul@ May 19 2005, 01:05 AM |
| I think that is called "white coat syndrome", each time you go to the doctors and see him/her, your BP slightly goes up |
| Posted by: Sanela37120 May 19 2005, 08:31 AM |
| THANX FRAN its been a week since i started takin the lipo/vasopro and im seein great results already ...also im at the gym 5-6 days a week and im eating real good, but i noticed my appetite is suppresed and i dont eat as much, and most of all i dont crave bad fooods ....like candy haha!!! ...i lost about 5 lbs in 7 days ...with lipo/vasopro ..working out..and eating good ....im more than happpyy with the results so far =) |
| Posted by: GuardDog May 19 2005, 09:33 AM |
| Salena, you should post some before and after picks like Fran did. Keep up the hardwork. |
| Posted by: Dwain74089 May 19 2005, 04:00 PM |
| so taking the stack should be ok then? i just need to show this to the warden so she will beleive me thanks |
| Posted by: franul@ May 20 2005, 12:26 AM |
| what are the values when you went to doctors? |
| Posted by: Dwain74089 May 20 2005, 06:45 AM |
| i dont exactly remember. i think most of her concern is the bad press that some of the diet supplements got. not understanding this stuff. i can take all of the protien etc that i want to, but when it comes to ephedra/ephedrine products, she doesnt like it at all. i figured if i could get some people that knew about the products, it would help. i beleive that the blood pressure problem was more nerves then anything. i have been to the doctor 3 times in the last year for phisicals because of work and the blood pressure has been normal every time. one more question about the product. with the way i work, i eat breakfast around 5:30 am and have to eat lunch around 11:00 am with time for a small snack around 7:30 am. will this be a problem? |