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Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 13 2008, 06:17 PM

yeah right.

Thats too hardcore for me, i'll run that on my next cycle perhaps.

Heres my actual cycle.

1- 400 mg test C
2- 400 mg test C
3- 400 mg test C
4- 400 mg test C
5- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E (cycle off creatine)
6- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E
7- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E
8- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E
9- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E + 50 mg CEL Hdrol
10- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E + 50 mg CEL Hdrol
11- 400 mg test C + 50 mg CEL Hdrol (cycle back on creatine)
12- 400 mg test C + 50 mg CEL Hdrol
13- 40 mg Tamoxifen =ED
14- 30 mg Tamoxifen =ED
15- 20 mg Tamoxifen =ED + 350 mg 6 OXO =ED + 1000 mg Trib =ED
16- 20 mg Tamoxifen =ED + 350 mg 6 OXO =ED + 1000 mg Trib =ED
17- * 10 mg Tamoxifen =ED (If i still feel shutdown)

First pin today. No probs to speak of, just a little sore.

(Topical ATD is on hand for any aromatase issues, as well as research Tamox)

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Stats:

Ok so, allow myself to introduce....myself.

*I'm kicking 30 in the ass.
*I'm 5'9''
*184-188 around 10-12% bf (lets not split hairs here. give or take)
*decade + of lifting experience.

Ph/steroid history:

M1t/4ad/1ad/m-drol. I put many years into "au naturale" so to speak but i feel im at my genetic ceiling as far as size is concerned. Strength is steadilly increasing, but size doesnt seem to coincide with that strength. I must say ive always had a somewhat negative stigma directed towards juice, based entirely on my ignorance. "people fear what they dont understand".

Well, My last Mdrol cycle was wonderous. 3 weeks of mood swings and diminished libido worked out well for me. Nah, i exeggerate.

gains were nice...Gained a couple of pounds, looked more vascular...but, i'll never run another compound again without test in there somewhere. Im just sensitive to the lack of it i guess. A very uneasy feeling.

My current Goals:

* To improve lifts on my 3 major compounds (bench/deads/squats) by 50 lbs within 12 weeks.

* To gain 15-20 lbs of mass. Hopefully keeping my general body shape. i'll be eating close to 4k a day worth of calories for the first month. To enhance appetite, i'll have some greenery on hand. That should do it. i'll taper down the cal's once the tren comes into the pic so i can "lean out" some.

I would be pleased to come off with a bf% at or around its current state, but if i come off higher, i dont care. i have 9,000 mg's of pure ephedrine hcl, a bottle of research clen on the way and the discipline to actually cut up. i did a cut cycle a couple of months back...I got quite lean. i simply removed fats/carbs and increased my cardio. That worked.

Once the test kicks in, i'll be increasing my W/O's to 5x a week or a 3on/1off schedule. My increased recovery time should expedite hypertrophy. cardio 3x a week @ 20-30 mins. (hopefully the tren wont hinder my cardio)

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 13 2008, 06:18 PM

About the Hdrol: The only reason im even adding the h-drol into this, which to some of you may seem futile or pointless...is because i have it already...and i'll never run it solo. I figured it might help lean me out towards the end....Got an Unopened bottle of P-plex too...was considering kick starting my cycle with that or another wet compound like M1T....But, i figured if anything, the wiser choice was to use a PH at the end of the cycle...and to use a "dry" compound. Im basing this on the info provided by SDF42450...which made sense compared to "kickstarting":

QUOTE (Brendlinger @ Nov 28 2007, 09:17 AM)
So SDF your saying now that im done with my sus cycle i should maybe finish up with mdrol to gain a few more pounds?

"what im saying is that by the end of the cycle, SHBG will be higher than it is at the beginning of the cycle. if you front load or "kickstart" you're kicking SHBG up much faster than it would if you just stuck with the 500mg/wk. SHBG will be higher for the duration of the cycle which will mean your getting less outta your juice. if you added an oral instead at the end of the cycle, you could ratchet up your gains and achieve MORE from the cycle.

example:

Cycle A:
wk 1-10 500mg/wk Test Cyp
wk 1-4 30mg/day Dbol

Cycle B:
wk 1-10 500mg/wk Test Cyp
wk 9-12 30mg/day Dbol

what i'm saying is that Cycle B >> Cycle A while utilizing the exact same amount of AAS. this same technique could be used with short esters, you'd just have to slide the oral in. if you were using prop 1-10, do the dbol 7-10.

do some reading on it... you'll find there's science, logic and reason to back up my position vs the "this is what i've always heard to do" of the frontload/kickstart"

Reference: http://forums.bulknutrition.com/topic41309.html

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 13 2008, 06:19 PM

My Log will contain workout schedules/diet and any sides (if any) i may experience.

Feedback/advice/critique appreciated.

-ALSO, Please feel free to chime in on the topical ATD as an AI on this cycle....and whether you feel it will hinder gains or not. Im reading conflicting stories on how its competes and binds to the androgen receptor...which doesnt sound good while "on".

The Before pics

I def gained a little fat since my cut cycle a couple of months back. Mostly around the obliques. Oh well. i noticed a direct link between strength and a couple of extra pounds. Im a lot stronger when im a bit chunkier basically lol

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Well, thats it for now. Yohimbe/ephedrine is kicking in and i need to get my ass in gear. I'll try to update pics on a weekly basis to monitor results. probably wont see any visible gains until around the 3rd or 4th week. But who knows.

Posted by: Chris25533 Feb 13 2008, 06:28 PM

Looking good man, looking foward to following your journal

Posted by: accent115 Feb 13 2008, 06:42 PM

lol i read the title, saw your name and was confused. then came in here to mock you...touche

Posted by: opfor101 Feb 13 2008, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Feb 13 2008, 06:17 PM)

yeah right.

JESUS CHRIST!

Posted by: yeashescool Feb 13 2008, 07:28 PM

looks awesome

Posted by: opfor101 Feb 13 2008, 07:39 PM

do you wax or shave? italians normally are hairy as hell....

you dont even have chest hair or hair on your quads.

Posted by: Chris25533 Feb 13 2008, 09:01 PM

you have one hell of a build now, I cant wait to see the results of this cycle!

Posted by: Vaporize Feb 13 2008, 09:19 PM

6 weeks of Tren ENANTHATE? why? And I see you followed the all powerful SDFag's advice and didnt kickstart. I hope its not too late and you can take advice from someone that actually works out and has real life knowledge and use your H Drol the first few weeks.

For example, I kickstarted my current cycle with 50mg dbol and it hasn't even been 4 weeks and my weight is up 15 lbs (yes I am on .5mg Letro ED) and I just benched 405x2, squatted 405x10 and my test/deca/winstrol hasn't even started.

Don't take advice from some douchebag that wont even post a pic or back up his posts with any science. BTW... Try to get more tren as 6 weeks of a long ester is damned near pointless.

Posted by: typeRob Feb 13 2008, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (Vaporize @ Feb 13 2008, 09:19 PM)

+1

also i dont know why you chose tren e over tren a. especially considering this is your first gear cycle. most people will say if you have never run tren before then run tren a so if you get any nasty sides you cant handle you can just drop it immediately since its short estered. plus 6 weeks would be fine with tren a but def not long enough for tren e.

Posted by: Kevin43403 Feb 13 2008, 10:57 PM

I think that it would be interesting to see someone not do the kickstart and instead put it at the end to see if there is any extra benefit. Anyways, good luck on the cycle bro.

Posted by: sdf42450 Feb 13 2008, 11:21 PM

QUOTE (Vaporize @ Feb 13 2008, 09:19 PM)

he did right by not "kickstarting" and instead using his oral at the end... it's counter productive to do it the other way -- there is science to back this up. the sooner you realize this the sooner you can close the gap on that 0.25lbs/inch.

and using a long ester gear for 6 wks he'll still make gains. the only thing he acheives by running it longer is that he'll manage a stable level of tren in his blood stream for a certain duration to maximize gains while minimizing sides. with only 6 wks, the dose will build up, peak for a brief period and then fade out -- he'll still acheive some gains. granted, it's not optimal to run the cycle this way, but neither is it optimal to front load -- still though people make gains using these methods.

as for posting a pic... it's just not wise. when you post a pic in a public forum theres no telling where it'll end up, and the last thing i want is any of you homos adding my pic to your private "jerkin' collection"

Posted by: typeRob Feb 14 2008, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Feb 13 2008, 11:21 PM)

as for posting a pic... it's just not wise. when you post a pic in a public forum theres no telling where it'll end up, and the last thing i want is any of you homos adding my pic to your private "jerkin' collection"

youd make the perfect musclebear

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 14 2008, 01:28 PM

Thanks for the support guys.

having a little pain in my ass as i speak. nothing i cant deal with though.

Slept only 6 hours, i feel fine though.

So rob/vap...

you're saying its absolutely pointless to run a dry ph towards the end of a cycle?

I didnt wanna run anything for the first month as to get a feel for the test by itself i guess.....

I know, enanthate may of not been the greatest newb choice...but i figured a low-dose...So you's are saying 6 is pointless?

I'm guessing the absolute minimum would have to be 8 then, huh?

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Woke up. popped 50 mg ephedrine/200 mg yohimbe and downed 2 cups of coffee.

Jumped on the stationary bike for 20 mins at a fast pace.

crawled off the bike...

Downed a whey shake w/extra glutamine.

Breakfast:

5 slices of turkey on whole wheat bread
4 oz. salmon
bag of broccolli
1 orange
1 capsule each of fishliver oil and flaxseed oil

pre-workout shake:
Whey, cee, arginine akg, taurine, alcar + glutamine + 200 mg caffeine anyhydrous

Biceps (17 sets)

Olympic bar curls (wide grip)
110 lbs X 10
120 X 10
125 X 10
EZ bar curls (close grip)
90 X 15
100 X 15
150 X 3
Preacher curls w/EZ bar
90 X 10
100 X 6
70 X 15
Dumbell curls
50 X 10
60 X 5
Underhand Grip, lat pull-downs
130 X 35
Reverse Curls
w/EZ bar - 80 X 15
90 X 12
w/Olympic bar - 110 X 5
Hammer curls
40 x 12
Arnold concentration curls
25 X 22

P/WO shake w/1% milk, CEE and 4 tsp dextrose. Ate an orange.

Lunch:

4 Eggs (3 whites and 1 whole)
Bowl of oatmeal, 1/2 tsp margarine, 1/4 cup milk
1 apple
Flaxseed and fishliver oil caps

Going to hit the Back tonight. Sets of pushups are in order as well.

Posted by: typeRob Feb 14 2008, 01:47 PM

i didnt say running a dry ph at the end is pointless. alot of people run winny at the end of their cycles to harden up and i was thinking of doing the same. its really up to you. i like kickstarts though.
if i were you id save the tren e for another cycle and either just run the test by itself or buy some tren A. like i said before tren sides can be nasty and if you try tren for the first time with the longer ester you wouldnt be able to abort fast enough if need be.
tren a would be alot more effective for 6 weeks than tren e would.
either way good luck bro

Posted by: Vaporize Feb 14 2008, 05:10 PM

QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Feb 13 2008, 11:21 PM)

QUOTE (Vaporize @ Feb 13 2008, 09:19 PM)

Bring on the science hunny, I've been waiting for some kind of study or ANYTHING. All you post is your own hypothesis with no evidence. I'll be waiting. BTW I am currently 212.5 and ~10% BF. I'll be making a video within a couple months and then you can finally admit you are outclassed.

Posted by: Vaporize Feb 14 2008, 05:13 PM

Jay you will still make sick gains on that cycle no doubt. I just would tweak it a bit by running an oral at the beginning. The way it is set up now you will be having 3 compounds take 100% affect at the same time instead of pacing yourself throughout the whole cycle. What I mean is by the time you start your oral, the tren enan will have peaked AND your test will be peaking and I don't think you need 3 compounds peaking at the same time for your first cycle. I would spread it out more IMO.

Either way whatever you decide to do will yield some good results. Keep us posted, sorry to threadjack with SDFag btw but I just don't like seeing douches post comments with no studies to back it up and people take his words for law.

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 14 2008, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Vaporize @ Feb 14 2008, 05:13 PM)

thanks Vap, PM sent.

Posted by: goodskie Feb 14 2008, 10:29 PM

why dont u just get more tren so u can run it longer.

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 15 2008, 02:15 AM

QUOTE (goodskie @ Feb 14 2008, 10:29 PM)

why dont u just get more tren so u can run it longer.

I have 10ml's/200mgs per ml...i just wanna keep sides to a minimum.

Had a Weak back workout. no real energy or concentration. irrelevant crap really distracted me tonight. accidentally stabbed myself in the middle finger with a phillips screwdriver while trying to fix something earlier in the day.
thats life.

BACK

Lat pull-downs

4 sets

Bentover rows with olympic bar

3 sets

Shrugs w/olympic Bar

3 sets

Pull-ups (underhand, close-grip)
3 sets

pull-ups (overhand, wide grip)
2 sets

Pushups
6 sets of 50

ATE (below is a continuation from my previous 2 meals)

turkey burger on whole wheat mini bagel
bowl of oats 1/2 tsp margarine, cup of milk
an orange

Whey shake w/milk,
3 flaxseed caps,
Large handful of walnuts
lowfat granola bar
5 slices of turkey breast on whole wheat mini bagel

8 oz shrimp w/cocktail sauce
1 sunny side egg
bag or broccolli
3 tablespoons of Peanut butter
1 apple
handful of raisins

Ran out of whey. New bag should be here on saturday.

looks like i'll be eating some egg whites and tuna b4 bed now. I could really go for a peanut butter sammich instead.

I may actually pick up some weight gainer or some met-rx big 100 meal bars. i have a feeling i wont be making the cal's unless i do so.

Posted by: goodskie Feb 15 2008, 02:39 AM

ya its probly not gunna kick in for a few weeks man. have u injected before this cycle?

Posted by: J.R.85 Feb 15 2008, 10:57 AM

Good luck bro, im sure you'll make sick gain's. Be following your progress.

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 15 2008, 12:31 PM

QUOTE (goodskie @ Feb 15 2008, 02:39 AM)

ya its probly not gunna kick in for a few weeks man. have u injected before this cycle?

Never goods, just orals.

and thanks Jr. Im hoping.

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Had the best sleep in a long time. Felt good when i woke up. Despite a self-proclaimed crappy back workout, my lats are tender so i did something right.

Woke up. dropped my ECY, then Hit cardio again for 25 (stationary bike)

Ate breakfast

4 eggs (3 whites and 1 whole)
bowl of oats w/margarine & Milk/equal
1 large lean turkey sausage
Imrpovised shake because im out of whey (1% milk with skim milk powder, scoop of glutamine, cocoa powder, dextrose/equal)
an apple

Not sure if i should rest today or what. But if i do workout, it'll be late in the PM.
Maybe legs, crunches, triceps.

I should Def hit abs today...core feels not so tight.

Started taking megadoses of Vitamin C to perhaps help strengthen connective tissues with improved collagen production. (to avoid potential tendon injuries)

Posted by: sdf42450 Feb 16 2008, 01:42 AM

QUOTE (typeRob @ Feb 14 2008, 12:10 AM)

youd make the perfect musclebear

what's a musclebear??

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 16 2008, 03:58 PM

Did not weight train on Friday. Just crunches and cardio. (20 mins on Bike and 500 crunches broken up into sets of 50)

Not gonna do legs today. still feel some tenderness. tomorrow will be all good.

Today: Chest and tri's.

How long until the cyp kicks in? 2-3 weeks? Will i feel anything before a month?
I really wish i would of went with a faster-acting test.

Slept like shit, woke up pissed off.

Ate very light this morn...Just a shake and some fruit. No appetite.

Lunch: bowl of oats with 2 tbsp's Peanut butter. (homemade in my food processor)
bowl of baby carrots
whey shake
orange

Making pasta sauce (gravy) as i type this. Gonna carb load after my workout and lounge around/rest.

Yeah what or WHO is musclebear?

Posted by: typeRob Feb 16 2008, 05:34 PM

http://www.musclebear.com/

after vap posted pics, someone stole his pics and created a account at that site using them, pretending to be him. a good reason why i dont wanna post pics in the future

Posted by: willpiazza31 Feb 16 2008, 06:14 PM

QUOTE (typeRob @ Feb 16 2008, 05:34 PM)

http://www.musclebear.com/

after vap posted pics, someone stole his pics and created a account at that site using them, pretending to be him. a good reason why i dont wanna post pics in the future

AHH WTF!!!

Posted by: Vaporize Feb 16 2008, 06:28 PM

The fucked up part is, they put my AIM on there and a couple homos tried to message me before! WTF, it's gotta be someone from this forum. Whoever it is you owned me pretty hard

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 16 2008, 08:36 PM

ROTF @ someone posting your pics at a gay "bear" site. thats pretty f*cked up right there.

Who found it though????

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Dinner:

Ate a bowl of pasta, 4 turkey meatballs.
salad, tomatos
Had seconds

Later on had a bag of jerkey and a shake.

Downed a Low carb Monster and worked out.....almost felt sleepy.

Hit chest today. Decided to skip the ECY and give the 'ol ticker a break.
I actually realized that i took 150mgs of E yesterday! Not good. not good at all. I got wreckless.

Far as my cycle goes: So very, very tempted to kickstart this shit with some m1t or something. i know, goes against what i initially said. And i know if i run a methyl now, i probably wont run the tren. No use going liver and kidney toxic in one cycle.

Patience is a virtue i suppose.

i quit chewing dip for now.
started using "The patch". hopefully my appetite will increase and i can get my cals in.

Flat bench 5 sets

i super-setted 180 for about 20 reps for a warmup.

never went above 240 for flat. didnt feel any oomph today.

incline 4 sets

didnt get higher than 200 and i really struggled. kept arching my back to get that fuckin bar up. decent pump tho.

dumbell flies (slight incline) 3 sets

low weight for first w/high reps (40lbs)
increased weight slightly for 2nd set, less reps.

finished with 75lbs, could practically hear the skin near my armpit stretching. Cant wait til im throwing 100's around and i get those beautiful tiger stripe stretch marks. I'll wear em like a badge of honor.

Anyway, i really struggled with my form. felt sloppy.

When i got done, i carb loaded with some Dex. downed my cee and then a oatmeal shake.

within the hour...i ate a peanut butter sandwich. ate an apple.

gonna hit Triceps in a bit. probably smoke a bowl when im done, eat...then eat again.

Oh yeah b4 i forget, anyone have an opinion on the ATD????

should i just trash this shit and buy the arimidex? or something else?

Seriously, im reading from several sources that it competes with the Andro receptors and screws up test gains.

someone please throw in their $0.02 on that 1!

Alright, take it easy fellas.

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 17 2008, 03:14 AM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Feb 16 2008, 08:36 PM)

Oh yeah b4 i forget, anyone have an opinion on the ATD????

should i just trash this shit and buy the arimidex? or something else?

Seriously, im reading from several sources that it competes with the Andro receptors and screws up test gains.

someone please throw in their $0.02 on that 1!

Alright, take it easy fellas.

disregard that. I cant sleep...so I went ahead and ordered a bottle of Anastrozole from research.

i'll just use it at .5mg a day sometime in the 2nd week as a preventive measure. too much Iffy BS with the ATD.

so now i have a full bottle of topical atd laying around. perhaps i'll pour it into my girls' body lotion for shits and giggles ? lol nah thats sick.

I gave my Triceps a decent workout. i'll feel this tomorrow im sure.

Tricep push-downs on Lat tower
87x20
102x15
115x8
87x20
102x12

Overhead tricep extentions w/EZ bar
50x20
70x10
75x10

Extremely Close gripped bench press w/olympic bar
160x9
170x7

Dumbell kick-backs
25x20
30x15

DIPS
30 / 25

close-grip diamond pushups
70
60
50
60

since my last post:
Drank 2 whey shakes
Ate a chicken breast on whole wheat
3 more turkey meatballs
1 turkey sausage
can of albacore tuna on whole wheat
2 oranges

prob down another shake b4 bed w/glutamine (if i can ever shutdown)

i plan on hitting cardio hard tomorrow with a 1.5 mile afternoon run & a PM stationary cycle for 20.

I believe Shoulders and Biceps are in order for tomorrow.

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 17 2008, 03:54 PM

What is test cypionate? Got a link explaining how it's different from enan, prop, and the other forms of test?

Also, where do you get your ephedrine from? If you can hook me up with a link, I'd appreciate it, thanks.

Posted by: typeRob Feb 17 2008, 05:04 PM

QUOTE (Will109090 @ Feb 17 2008, 03:54 PM)

will have you ever heard of google?
test cyp is basically the same exact as test enan. most will say its slightly weaker but imo wouldnt make much of a difference. its also usually dosed at 200mg/ml while test e is usually 250mg/ml.

Posted by: sdf42450 Feb 17 2008, 10:27 PM

QUOTE (typeRob @ Feb 16 2008, 05:34 PM)

http://www.musclebear.com/

after vap posted pics, someone stole his pics and created a account at that site using them, pretending to be him. a good reason why i dont wanna post pics in the future

OH shit LMFAO!!

exactly why i don't post pics/personal info...

someone should post the link (i couldn't get past the first page) -- who found it in the first place?

QUOTE (Vaporize @ Feb 16 2008, 06:28 PM)

Whoever it is you owned me pretty hard

yeah they did

Posted by: J.R.85 Feb 18 2008, 05:22 AM

QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Feb 18 2008, 03:27 AM)

QUOTE (typeRob @ Feb 16 2008, 05:34 PM)

http://www.musclebear.com/

after vap posted pics, someone stole his pics and created a account at that site using them, pretending to be him. a good reason why i dont wanna post pics in the future

OH shit LMFAO!!

exactly why i don't post pics/personal info...

someone should post the link (i couldn't get past the first page) -- who found it in the first place?

WTF????

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 18 2008, 10:08 AM

WILL...Go to either www.BiotekPharm.com or www.SNDonline.net. SND has 10mg pills only. So, 900 ten mg. pills for $100....thats 9 grams. 5 days from canada to NY.

or biotek, 20 packs of 6 pills, 25 mg a pill....around $55. has guaf but doesnt matter. Shiping is lighting fast.

I buy from both actually. and im stockpiling because i have a feeling it will be unavailable pretty soon.

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The cyp/enanth = diff length in the carbon chain.

cyp is like 8 and enanth is 7. So cyp breaks down slower in the body.

Its basically the same shit, but produced in diff geographical areas.

People claim they could tell the diff between cyp and enan and how one is more potent etc. (enanth) but its such a slight difference that its unoticable in most i hear.

Another thing i recall reading was that 400 mg of Test C is actually slightly less Testosterone than test E....because you're counting the Ester molecule as a contribution to its weight. Very slight diff tho. You're talking mcg's.

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I think im gonna start a new diet plan.
A new Subway opened nearby....I was hungry so i walked in and checked it out.

I asked Sanji behind the counter if he had nutritional facts on the sammiches.

after hand gesturing for several minutes and speaking broken english, i finally described to him what i meant.

He handed me a pamphlet with all the nutritional facts for their products.

I bought a 12'' Italian BMT on wheat and a bag of baked lay's chips. (no mayo, oil)

Turns out its around 1000 calories, 50 grams of protein....carbs? i forgot how many but prob a million or so grams. I think around 20 grams of fat, maybe a lil more.

Anyway im thinking about just buying 3 Subways a day for the staple of my cals.
Then i could just supp with Whey shakes and whatnot at home.

What do you's think? Call it the Jared on juice subway diet? and then submit my pics to subway....no? ok whatever.

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Oh....i decided to up my dose to 500/wk instead of 400. I pinned another 1/2 ML in my quad.

This is serious, i need smaller pins. Im walking around like a pirate or some shit. I literally cannot bend my right leg.

Just imagine getting hit by a hardball. its exactly like that.

Anyway, enough bitching. But thats what im gonna do. and prob split the dose so that i can inject less at once.

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Slept like a baby with SIDS last night. I dont have my log handy to post up exercise stats etc but i'll do so later.

P.S. No gains to report as of yet. Weight is slightly up...i saw 189 on the scale and that was Post-dump / pre-breakfast so i guess the extra cals are addin up.

Posted by: J.R.85 Feb 18 2008, 10:40 AM

What size pin's are you using bro? The pain is probably from the oil and not the actual pin??

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 18 2008, 11:17 AM

Thanks for the link man, definitely going to look that shit up.

Do you think it's better with the guaf or without? Or does it make not too much of a difference? Also, do you think running E by itself is better, or coupled with caffeine?

Posted by: J.R.85 Feb 18 2008, 12:15 PM

QUOTE (Will109090 @ Feb 18 2008, 04:17 PM)

It's better with.... Caffeine stimulate's the thermogenic effects of ephedrine. I've seen dude's combining ephedrine, aspirin and caffeine pre contest to cut, instead of using thyroid drug's like T3. It's much safer this way..

Posted by: sdf42450 Feb 18 2008, 01:02 PM

QUOTE

thats a pretty good find on ephedrine... i remember back when i could get 375 tabs of 25mg for $60

miss those days

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 18 2008, 02:48 PM

I remember when i use to buy the stuff here at BN....i think so. yeah im pretty sure. back in 05 or 06.

Thats all i would really buy...that and creatine/ginseng.

Will the guaf is used as an expectorant...to help you hack up phlegm when ur congested. I see no diff between pure and with guaf.

And as JR said, the caffeine and Yohimbe act synergistically with the E....the ffects last much longer and are stronger with other stims.

The pins im using are 21g- 1 9/16.

and you're right....its prob the oil or the alcohol in the cyp.

I went to a forum site dedicated to my source's product, and there are complaints that some of the injections have been more painful than others.

Namely the tren ace but i havent read anything about the their Test C yet. I think its just a newbie thing on my part....im sure i'll get use to it.
Aspirin helped.

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 18 2008, 03:06 PM

JayV, it seems as though with the biotek site, you need to provide the order form and ID in order to order a certain amount due to it being in the U.S. correct? So if one wanted to order a larger quantity in bulk, it would make more sense to order from SND, correct?

Did you see any quality difference between the two companies?

Posted by: J.R.85 Feb 18 2008, 04:28 PM

21g is pretty thick, i'd go for a 23g 1" pin....

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 18 2008, 05:26 PM

Yeah im looking for a good reliable source for smaller pins. Dr. X said 26 would do it but would take very long to inject an oil.

I rather have 23's for sure though. i could play lawn darts with these things here.

Will.... Yeah, biotek wants you to fill out the DEA forms, its a one time deal. Once they have you on record, you wont have to hassle with it every time. I printed out the form, put my license on the form, took a digital photo of the form and then Emailed the pic lol.

P.S. they dont ship to certain states. im in NY so im alright.

http://www.biotekpharm.com/page.php?pageID=67

SND has no restrictions. you could litrerally buy 10,000 mgs a day if u wanted. they dont care.

Quality seems good. i take five of the 10 mg tabs and im good. I chew em actually.

Posted by: sdf42450 Feb 18 2008, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Feb 18 2008, 05:26 PM)

Yeah im looking for a good reliable source for smaller pins. Dr. X said 26 would do it but would take very long to inject an oil.

i haven't come across anything yet that won't go through a 25g reasonably fast. i've even used 27g but it takes some patience and some serious thumb power.

IMO 25g is the way to go

Posted by: Kevin43403 Feb 18 2008, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Feb 18 2008, 10:08 AM)

Anyway im thinking about just buying 3 Subways a day for the staple of my cals.

I love subway. A 12 inch provides approximately 50 grams of protein, 90 grams of carbs and 20 grams of fat depending on what you get. Tastes great too. I try to eat them as much as possible when I'm bulking. Shit talking about it is making me hungry. Gonna have to go there right now.

Posted by: typeRob Feb 18 2008, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Feb 18 2008, 10:08 AM)

What do you's think? Call it the Jared on juice subway diet? and then submit my pics to subway....no? ok whatever.

LMAO

you crack me up jay.

i got a subway right next to where i work and im thinking of doing the same thing. cant beat it.

anyways your journal is lookin good
good luck with the rest of your cycle bro

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 19 2008, 12:07 AM

JayV...crazy lookin cycle bro, good luck with it! Friggin jacked already, can't wait to see your results. Where in NY you at? I just moved outta Manhattan. Great times in there though.

Posted by: Wauslee Feb 19 2008, 05:35 PM

How much did the test and tren set you back for this cycle?

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 19 2008, 06:57 PM

SUbway is the best when you're lazy and donyt feel like preparing your stuff. resonably priced, not incredibly fattening, decent protein and tastes good.

I bought another footlong BMT today. 2 bags of baked chips and water and i called it a lunch.

Thanks JW...I hope my b4 and after pics look like night and day.
i live out on Long island. originally from Brooklyn but came out here a few years back. Plan on leaving here (NY) entirely soon and head down south. Im not digging winter anymore.

Waus...Gear cost me 3 bills. (including pins) something like 35 for the WU, shippin was free though. (international)
Tamox and arimidex...100

Im already planning my next cycle lol
Not even a week in and im thinking about the next. unreal.

anyway Took 5 days from the time they received my WU funds til it was here. i was like whoa. I dont even get my BN crap that fast.

yesterday hit biceps and shoulders

Today i Hit legs. I actually never hit them this weekend like i supposed to. tsk tsk.

Squats/leg extentions/ham curls/Toe raises

No real gains to speak of yet lol
No changes in libido, mood, skin, sleep, nothing. Everything is everything for now. I actually feel good.

Gonna hit the rhombs/traps/lats in a few.

= Deads/Lat pulldowns/bent rows/Shrugs.

Time to eat again. im not even hungry but i have to.

discipline baby! lol

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 21 2008, 02:54 PM

Are you going to be posting your strength increases as the weeks progress?

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 21 2008, 08:41 PM

Absolutely bro.

Well its been about a week and ive gained serious weight already. I know its certainly water or fat...But holy shit. Everyday i look, the needle is up.

Last week, i was 186 or so...As of today, 193 lbs.
user posted image

I just started laughing when i saw that. I have a feeling i'll be walking off this cycle 20-30 lbs heavier, easy.

P.S. this is NOT an all out bulker. Im doing cardio 3-4 x a week, using ECY stack and eating fairly clean.

My Arimidex came today from research...Thank God! dropped a half a ML of that as soon as i opened it up. Im assuming this is water weight and the arimidex will help out some.

Took 10 mg tamox this morn as well.

Also Started upping my b-12 intake to help with red cell production as i hear this is essential.

Strength has NOT gone up but thats no shocker in a weeks' use of enanthate.
Right now, just playin the waitin game til this shit kicks in...then im gonna ride this out til the wheels fall off.

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 22 2008, 02:21 AM

Triceps and chest today. Had a very late tricep workout and im still hyped up from the yohimbe.

Did nothing but flat bench, 12 sets.

Triceps was primarily close-grip bench.

Did not feel like fussing with isolation exercises today.

Posting a pic as planned. Shoulders breaking out already. I cant wait to see what my skin looks like by week 12.

ordered some smaller pins.....23's. (thanks rob) Hopefully the'll be here before the next time i inject.

I made up my mind to run the Tren at the 1 month mark at 250mg/wk for 8 weeks. Fuck it. Maybe it'll help with the fat im sure to gain.

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 23 2008, 04:54 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Feb 18 2008, 05:26 PM)

Quality seems good. i take five of the 10 mg tabs and im good. I chew em actually.

50mg at one time??? Isn't that a shit load? Would someone that's never used ephedrine need that much, or should I start at 10mg and assess from there?

I think I'm going to start cutting in April, so that's why I'm considering using ephedrine since I assume it's better than anything else besides clen.

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 23 2008, 05:09 PM

Also, jayv, is it safe to use a debit or credit card from SND, or would it be better to just send cash or money order through the mail, because couldn't you get into trouble ordering so much ephedrine?

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 24 2008, 08:54 PM

QUOTE (Will109090 @ Feb 23 2008, 04:54 PM)

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Feb 18 2008, 05:26 PM)

Quality seems good. i take five of the 10 mg tabs and im good. I chew em actually.

it all depends on how i feel that day. If im dragging ass, 50 is ideal.
In your case, 25 is fine.....10 would be extremely low dosed.

and dont worry about using your CC, you wont get in trouble. i didnt.
I always use my card when possible as opposed to checks/M.O's, etc....

so in case i get burned, i can just call up and report the order as fraudulent.

FRIDAY

I hit shoulders and biceps and made a personal best with Bicep preacher curls

120x4

I did a shit load of sets prior to that one, so i could of gone heavier if i would of tried maxing earlier on. Wasnt really trying to, Just wanted to see if i could bang it out and surprised myself.

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I had an incident last pinning. I believe i dispensed the plunger too quickly AND i think i also pierced a vein. After i pulled the pin out there was a slight lump there, so i believe some of the oil went subcutaneous.

There is now a large bruise on my thigh that hurts terribly, so doing legs today was a No-Go.

this is the prob with large gauges. its too easy to inject oil too fast. Im still waiting on smaller pins to arrive.

SATURDAY
REST, Just crunches (300)

Sunday

Only 4 hrs of sleep.

Got up early. Ran 1.5 miles pre-dawn.

Did Back.

bent over rows
110x30 (warm up)
150x15
170x12
200x8

Lat pull downs
150x15
170x12
190x7

Shrugs
200x20
200x15
190x12
170x12

I loaded up one side of the olympic bar for more bent over rows.

100x20
125x16
130x20
140x15

Tried for more weight but the side of the bar without weight on it kept popping up and causing probs. I need a big sand bag or something to put on that end next time.

Wide grip push ups
70
50
50
50
60

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My weight spiked to 194. After a few days of .5 ml anastrozole, im back down to 191. I dont know if Test aromatizes this quickly...but i believe in my case it did.

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Attitude seems shitty today and felt agressive. Could be the lack of sleep.

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I was supposed to hit chest and tri's tomorrow, but i still need to do legs since i couldnt today (due to injection site pain)...so i have to prob skip chest and do legs/tri's instead.

Pins are fuggin up my schedule big time and im fallin behind my projected schedule.

Diet is up to par, still need to get in another meal b4 bed.

Posted by: Kevin43403 Feb 26 2008, 12:18 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Feb 24 2008, 08:54 PM)

I had an incident last pinning. I believe i dispensed the plunger too quickly AND i think i also pierced a vein. After i pulled the pin out there was a slight lump there, so i believe some of the oil went subcutaneous.

My friend had the same problem and said it was from injecting too fast. He had the bruise for a couple of days. He just concentrated on slowly injecting and it never happened again.

btw PM sent Jayv

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 27 2008, 03:19 AM

Time to get this shit up to date.

Monday

triceps and Legs

Had a personal best with close grip bench and im very pleased. Also had a personal best with tricep overhead extentions using dumbells. Had a personal best with tricep dips as well.

close gripped bench w/Hands 3-5 inches apart.

160x12
170x10
180x8
190x6
205x5 (A personal best for me)

Overhead tricep extentions with dumbell
70x12
75x8
80x10
85x7 (a personal best)

tricep dips
3 sets:

40 reps (a personal best)
33 reps
30 reps

Carbloaded. rested.
Later on that day..........hit legs.

LEGS

Squats

220x20
240x10
260x8
280x6
285x4

Deadlifts

220x14
260x10
280x8
305x6
340x5

Standing toe raises w/olympic bar

260x20
280x15
300x9
300x6

Leg extentions for Quads

180x15
200x10
220x6

TUESDAY

around 15 sets of chest!!

Incline

160x12
180x6
190x6
200x4 ... rested for a min... + 3 more reps.

Flat bench

Each set executed with no more than 60 seconds btwn sets.

260x5
240x8
230x5
220x5
200x12

rested for several minutes....

Super-setted 180x19

rested for several minutes.

Incline Dumbell press
40x20
50x12
70x6

MACHINE BUTTERFLY

68lbs per arm x 12
68lbs per arm x 10

Crunches
300 broken down into sets of 50

Got in several sets of pushups @ 60 reps a piece.

DIET

For the last couple of days its pretty consistent.

Breakfast:

5 eggs (4 whites and 1 whole)
Oatmeal
Either an orange or an apple
Whole wheat toast with "I cant believe its not butter"
Flaxseed and cod [PLINK=6237]liver oil[/PLINK]

Lunch
4 slices of turkey on whole wheat mini bagel
Salad w/tomatos and olive oil & vinegar
Granola Bar
Peanuts

Snacks/meals btwn lunch/dinner

Turkey burgers
Beef jerkey
peanuts
fruit
cereal
plenty of 1% milk

Dinner

Sweet potato or Rice
Salmon or Sirloin strips
Pasta
veggies
Milk shake

Im getting in at least 5 whey shakes throughout the day as well as Met-rx bars.

Injection site soreness and lump has dissipated and im very happy. was worried briefly.

Weight: 192!

Anastrozole dosed daily at .5ml/.5 mg
Face looks less full and cheeks no longer look like a cabbage patch kid. Its working!

Libido: Nice
Skin: using Benzoyl peroxide and i went tanning to mimimize breakouts
Hair: using the nizoral 2x a day and taking saw plametto several times a day.
Sleep: sparadic. i'll wake up after 4 hrs and then stay up for an hour. After i eat, im back to bed.
Mood: even tempered but pissed off while working out. Glad its localized to there and not anywhere else for now.

IM also taking co-q10 with breakfast and dinner
using 3 caps a day of NOW's Liver detoxifer and regenerator (even though test is fairly safe on the liver. better safe than sorry)

I probably wont rest tomorrow even though im scheduled to.

I am not sore at all. feeling good.

Thats all for now.

Posted by: dayday87 Feb 27 2008, 11:00 AM

Glad everything is going good man, ive broke some personal records already too. Im guessing you werent doing ED injects? I have been,switching glutes each day, and although I dont feel any lumps, the "pain" is getting worse. Im hoping it will go away after I stop ED injects in 2 more weeks.

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 27 2008, 12:33 PM

Do you do bodyweight dips, or with weight attached?

I think I'm going to order from SND because there's no hassle of the form, and you can also get a lot more at one time. Thanks for the link bro.

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 28 2008, 05:12 PM

Sup fellas. Nah dayday, im using Cyp. was originally gonna go with 400mg EW, but im pinning 2x a week @ 250mg a piece.

Will i just use strictly bodyweight. If im feeling crazy i throw a 35 lb plate in a bookbag and i'll execute some pullups...but not as of lately.

yeah that SND is good stuff. And like i said, dont worry about the CC...when they bill you, its not in any way shape or form indicating "ephedrine".

Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 28 2008, 05:15 PM

Alrighty, so like...Im 2 weeks into this cycle. Strength Up! Weight up! im stoked.

Appetite is F*cking insatiable! I bought some heavy cream that i decided to add to my post w/o shakes. I cannot stop eating, i feel like im basically shitting and eating all day at this point.

I ordered more supps from BN and surprisingly, its here today.
A 2 day delivery time for regular shipping? BN is second to none as far as delivery speed is concerned.

I was almost out of CEE so i ordered Some creatine mono this time instead.
More vitamin C and chromium, Yohimbe, more ALCAR, more arginine AKG....More ON Whey (cookies and cream)
Was going to buy some Waxy but decided last minute for Maltodextrin instead.
Oh and some 1,3-Dimethylamylamine ....Gonna stack that with my ECY and see what happens.

Weds.

Got up early as shit and hit the stationary bike for 25 mins. Barely broke a sweat til i hit the 23 minute mark...and then i peddled like a maniac on crack for the last 2 minutes.

Ate A gigantic bowl of Cheerios with oats and peanuts, 1% milk
A Met-rx bar
2 oranges

lunch

4 slices of turkey on a Whole wheat mini bagel
banana
2 scoop whey shake
granola bar
cup of red chili beans

in between lunch/dinner:

Had another bowl of cereal with oats and peanuts, 1% milk

another met-rx bar

A shake

Beef jerky

dinner

2 turkey burgers on whole wheat (2 slices bread)
salad
bag of mixed veggies
2 cups of plain yogurt with walnuts and oats, splenda

Ate again....

Sardines on whole wheat
banana
tablespoon of jelly on ritz crackers

Had a 2 scoop whey shake, went to bed.

Woke up 4 hours later. Drank another shake with glutamine.

Training for Wed's included nothing but calisthenics.

6 sets of pull-ups

3 sets underhand (15,10,10)
3 sets overhand (12,10,10)

push-ups

14 sets of pushes totalling 680.

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I Really started carb loading and i think its making a difference. I cant recall in recent history making that many pushes in a day....
10 Tsps dextrose post w/cee, then 15 minutes later, whey with 2 tablespoons Oatmeal and 1/4 cup heavy cream.

That was yesterday....today i plan on hammering my biceps into the ground as well as shoulders. I'll post the results of this workout later on tonight or tomorrow.

Took some flicks, basically 5-6 lbs heavier than i was when i started. I know, I really need to work on poses...shit looks awkward.

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Posted by: Chris25533 Feb 28 2008, 06:05 PM

great progress so far man, your pictures tell it all!

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 28 2008, 08:26 PM

Dang bro, looking diesel!

How do you like the Cookies N' Cream flavor from ON? I need to order some whey soon, and I'm deciding between ON CnC, French Vanilla, or Vanilla.

Posted by: Vinh Feb 28 2008, 10:14 PM

holy crap your freaking huge, especially those biceps. keep up the good work

Posted by: Jayv24 Mar 6 2008, 02:02 AM

Thanks guys. i havent updated in a minute out of sheer lazyness on my part.

Basically going into my 3rd week at this point....Libido is fuckin sick. im gonna wear this thing down to a nub in a few days.

Will, Cookies and cream to me is awesome. its not overpowering like the chocolate...its smoother and mixes easier imo.

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Since last postings...i have made several personal bests...military press (seated) seems to be the biggest leap in strength at this point.

Sleep is becoming disturbed. I need less and i wake up much earlier. id say im pulling 6 a night instead of 8....

I pinned a grand total of 650 mg's this week!! Thats a lot for me....but i have a reason.

I plan on travelling tomorrow (plane) and didnt want to tag along with me a vial of test. Preloading the syringe seemed a bad idea as well....God forbid i get a random bag search or some shit.

So i decided to pin 400 tonight...i pinned 250 last saturday. So i wont pin again til next Weds.

Last thursday = Biceps.

ez bar preacher curls
70x15
90x15
110x10
130x5

dumb's
40x20
50x10
55x6
60x10

olympic bar curls
80x25
100x13
110x10
90x12

hammers
50x10

Underhand lat pull-downs
150x20
170x16

reverse curls w/olympic bar
80x15
90x15
95x15

Same day, hit shoulders

Military press (seated)
150x10
160x10
170x5
175x5
180x4
140x12
145x12

Front raise's w/olympic bar
80x12
85x11

behind-neck military press
140x5
120x8
110x14

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Last friday

Dead's

240x12
270x10
305x8
325x6
345x5

Squats

200x12
220x10
230x8
240x6
245x5

Quads (leg extentions)

105x10 (single leg)
110x10 (single leg)
130x15 (both legs)
130x18 (both legs)
180x12 (both legs)

Standing toe raises

260x30
280x23
290x20
305x20

Same day, hit my Back

bent over rows w/olympic bar

160x12
160x12
160x12
180x10
110x20
130x16

Shrugs

180x20
180x20
180x20
130x20
130x20

Bent lateral raises w/dumbells

20x20
30x15

Lat pulldowns

150x20
150x20
150x18
150x18

Posted by: Jayv24 Mar 6 2008, 02:04 AM

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Last Saturday = Rested

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Last sunday = chest & triceps

Flat bench

180x20
200x15
220x8
230x5
240x5
250x4
195x10

Incline

160x12
180x12
190x6
210x2...then another 1
160x12

Flies

40x21
50x10
60x5

Triceps

Close-grip bench

180x9
185x8
190x8
160x10

Overhead Tri extentions w/dumb's

30x20
30x12
30x10

Push-downs on lat tower

87x20
102x11
102x12
102x10

Dips

30 + 30

tricep kick-backs
20x20

Push-ups
Total 125

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Tuesday = Biceps & Shoulders

STraight bar curls w/olympic bar

110x5
130x5
150x5

Ez bar curls

80x13
90x10
100x10
70x10

reverse curls w/ez bar

90x10
90x8
70x12

Hammers
30x20
30x20

arnold concentration curls
25x12
25x12

underhand lat pull downs

150x20
180x6....plus 1

Dumbells

40x20
50x10
60x6
35x20
30x10

Shoulders

Standing military press (Behind neck)

110x25
130x8

Seated Mili press

150x10
170x5
175x5
180x5
120x20
140x6

Upright rows

90x12
90x20
135x6

Lateral raises w/dumbs

20x20
25x15

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Weds = Legs

Squats

200x20
220x12
235x10
245x7
260x5

Deads

260x10
280x6
305x5
325x4
345x3
345x1

Quads (leg ext.)

single leg = 110x8

180x8
200x7
130x18
130x16

Was supposed to hit back today....decided to rest.

Tomorrow is a rest day but i'll hit my back real wuick before i bounce out of town.

No real hair issues...i shaved it down to a #3 and faded out the sides.

no real major break-outs...The benzoyl seems to be working.

Weight is pretty steady @ 193...but im eating clean. im even waking up in the mid of the night to eat...mostly meat. appetite is still sick.

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Posted by: Jayv24 Mar 6 2008, 02:05 AM

Also, 1 more week until i pin my first Tren E dose (300mg)

Posted by: Kevin43403 Mar 23 2008, 06:06 PM

Hows the cycle going bro?

Posted by: Jayv24 Apr 8 2008, 01:14 AM

whats up fellas? Thought id update my journal. Its been a while but i really lost that motivation for journal keeping that i had in the beginning.

I'm about 8 weeks into my cycle and my weight is up aprox 15-18 lbs. I'm currently the heaviest weight of my entire life. (205-208)

The Drugs:
The tren sides arent nice; but i was warned not to run it as a newb. im pretty hard headed i guess. The biggest con is the rage you get. It does help during lifts...but its not like Test where it stays in the gym. This rage creeps up and follows you around.

Then theres the sleep deprivation. and the intense, profuse sweating. Thank god its not summer. My libido leveled out. It was like puberty all over again until tren came into the pic. This is a serious, serious drug. If you're a newb and decide to run it, use the acetate and not the enanthate like me.

The stats:
Bench is up 40lbs and incline by 30.
Squats are up by almost 55 lbs.
My Deads, not so fantastic. a meger 30. but i can get in more reps than before.
Military press is phenomenal. It jumped almost 50 lbs since i started.
My leg extentions have shot up by 30 lbs.
Basically all exercises have increased in intensity or weight.

I hit the weights 3, sometimes 4 days in a row. Cardio 2-3 days a week.

I also started the Halodrol clone for the last month of this cycle.
Hopefully i'll lean out some while building some extra muscle.

The Diet:

The biggest changes ive made are less carbs post workout. I suspected it was bloating me and sure enough, it was. Instead of a 1/2 cup of maltodextrin post w/o, i use only 1/8th with good results. I also cleaned it up a bit....no more peanut butter and no more chinese food. Eating out is a body-destroyer.

The pics:

I decided to keep the dome shaved for the remainder of this cycle. makes me look bigger

Well thats it for now i guess, my lazy-ass probably wont update this for another 3 weeks or so lol.

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 8 2008, 01:35 AM

i can see the tribulus really kicking in hahah good work man

Posted by: Jayv24 Apr 8 2008, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 8 2008, 01:35 AM)

i can see the tribulus really kicking in hahah good work man

thanks bro. but i gotta give credit to the ZMA as well. that stuff is serious business.

Posted by: Jayv24 Apr 9 2008, 07:26 PM

Hey ladies. had to pin my bicep last night and im in agony today. couldnt pin my ass/quads because today is leg day. couldnt pin delts because theyre still sore from previous injections.

anyway, my left bicep looks like its blown up with synthrol or something....pretty swoll. i wonder if the oil spreads the fascia out and that within itself causes extra muscle size.

the whole spot injection theory has been discredited but i dunno...my ass and quads have grown more than any other muscle group....and i pin them 90% of the time. they are however the 2 largest muscle groups in the body, so maybe thats it.

anyway, its gonna be an interesting tricep workout tonight with a dead-arm. i feel like im walking around like John McCain or something....because i cant raise my arm up past chest level right now.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 9 2008, 07:43 PM

Lookin pretty effin beastly broham, great work.

What aren't you on right now?

Posted by: typeRob Apr 9 2008, 08:41 PM

lookin swole bro. your arms and shoulders look huge. i think your chest and back could stilll use some work though, they seem to be overpowered by the arms and shoulders.

oh and about the tren e vs tren a. i told you so. im pretty sure i told ya early on to use tren a instead e since its short estered and u can drop it much faster if you run into sides. how much sleep are you getting on average?

Posted by: yeashescool Apr 9 2008, 09:22 PM

damn bro ur looking swoll, now every1 says the real stuff blows the prohormones outta the water, whats ur intake on this now uve moved to the darkside?

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 9 2008, 09:23 PM

Jacked and tan....

Posted by: Jayv24 Apr 10 2008, 03:36 AM

thanks guys.

Just out of curiosity, if you guys go tanning, are there any other males there? lol im the only guy there ever. its always chicks 18-25 and then like old ladies. i feel like a metro-douche sometimes when i walk in the place.

Jw lol...i had to go hard this cycle even if its a first run. I call this my "Hair is way over-rated" cycle.

rob...probably only 5 hours tops. and i wake up several times just to change my shirt or get a drink of water. yeah i know, the acetate, im a knucklehead!

But even with the sides, im not gonna drop it at this point. if this is the worse of it...i can handle it i think. im workin on that chest and back. I got a good month of smashing left, i'll get my weight up.

yeahshes....id say theres pros and cons for both gear and ph's....biggest pro for gear is the amount of time you can stay on. cons...injection pain. not to sound like a pussy but its debilitating to the point where your hobbling around at times like an old geezer.

ive used m1t, 4-ad, 1-ad, mdrol...never gained the amount of weight i have with gear. nor did i have the consistent strength increases. and i seriously think mdrol gave me emotional problems. i was pretty messed up for a long time.

i'll never use a ph/designer oral without injectable testosterone. unless PA whips up some new innovative shit that rivals it...which is unlikely.

Thursday will be a much needed rest day. Amen.

Posted by: goodskie Apr 10 2008, 02:58 PM

i agree with what u say on the pros and cons of gear. i only had pain at the beginning tho. fuck i wanna try tren but i hate sides more than anything

Posted by: Roids Apr 11 2008, 02:01 PM

Lookin jacked and tan! Your poundages seem low for how jack'd you are. What are you weighing now?

Posted by: Jayv24 Apr 12 2008, 02:24 AM

206 last weigh-in. At 5'9'' thats not that bad.

even though the scale needle isnt jumping like the first 5 weeks, im noticing more vascularity and striations at this point, so perhaps im recomping. Still, i would be terribly disapointed if i couldnt gain another 5lbs by the end of this cycle.

The only thing i can do is eat dirtier. I couldnt possibly eat more...Im basically eating a meal every 2-3 hours. my whole life revolves around food.

I may start to Carb load heavier post workout, drop some cardio, and reduce the adex. thats the only thing i can think of to gain more lbs at this point. Ive already dropped my ECY stack.

i'd LOVE to waddle off this cycle at 220 but thats pretty far fetched.

Posted by: goodskie Apr 12 2008, 07:22 AM

id shoot for 210 man. summer is basically here. don't get blubbed. im in the middle my first cycle too and had to dedicate the whole fucking thing to cutting. just don't get too dirty with the diet. save that for a winter bulk if even that. stay jacked and tan

Posted by: vanthehentai Apr 12 2008, 11:38 AM

Bro, what week did you throw the adex in? I've barely gone a week and I already feel some bloat. Did it help much? Do you feel like it reduced your gains? So far I've only pinned my quads but I think I may do some more research and attempt to pin my glutes. A question on pinning. How far do you normally get the pin into your quad? Usually when I'm pinning it doesn't really hurt until I get it more than 3/4 of the way in. I was wondering if it was ok to stop there? Also my pinned leg will be swollen for almost a week afterwards I just want to make sure that's normal. I love being on, feels great so far. I can't stop eating. Pinning is pretty F#$%ing scary though. I'm deathly afraid I'm going to mess myself up somehow.

Posted by: Jayv24 Apr 12 2008, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (vanthehentai @ Apr 12 2008, 11:38 AM)

The adex came from chem1 a couple days after my first injection.

At .5 ml ed, i still had bloat. I honestly feel its inevitable with high doses of test because it aromatizes so easily. I know people are going to disagree....and say it isnt inevitable, but at .5ml ED i was still looking bloated. The mirror DONT Lie!
And i was using ECY, high doses of vitamin C, greentea, etc. My body was holding on HARD to that water.

far as the pinning goes...im primarily using 1 9/16th inch 21 gauge pins. fuckin lawn darts! I ordered some extra 23 gauge but it takes forever to push the oil through em. so i dont like usin em.

ANyway, i leave just a small portion of the pin sticking out, maybe 1/16 inch...so that if it snaps off, i can pull the thing out with a tweezers.

You want to get way past the subcutaneous/Fat region. Just go slow...and breathe.

Before you inject, Let a little oil run down the needle. it really helps to Lube it as it goes through the skin/fat/muscle.

If you inject the oil into the subcutaneous, you might end up with an Oil abcess...nasty shit right there. So i make sure i get that in as deep as i can while still being able to see a small portion of the pin in case it breaks.

the pain gets MUCH better to deal with as time goes on bro. Your muscles will adapt.

i would say really thats the biggest downside of it all...the pain. hobbling around like a pirate for 2-3 days sucks but no pain, no gain

it'll get better. once weeks 4-6 roll in, its all worth it imo.