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> Aniracetam vs Piracetam, Which one to use?
Posted: Mar 18 2007, 06:19 PM
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I haven't tried the aniracetam but have been very pleased with  the piracetam.  Takin in 7 gram doses 3 times  a day seems to do the trick nicely.  I feel more relaxed yet aware.  I become chatty kathy though and tend to go into much more detail than before.  It also seems to increase my use of  vocabulary words that I know the definitions to but never seem to remember to fit them into my everyday chatter.  Seems to elevate my mood perhaps this is because I am happy with the initial effects.  I give Piracetam a thumbs up.  P.S.  Goes great with a healthy dose of Phenibut..


7g x 3 = 21 g/day which is pretty hefty for piracetam from what I have read. I am using ~2.4g x 2-3 times/day stacked with 3g of choline citrate x 1/day. Research the attack dose when using nootropics; ie. you may need to take 2 or 3 times the normal dosing the first time (and sometimes for a few days) before resorting to a normal dose. Your normal dose is dependant on your desired effects which you can find in a good matrix of grams to effect (on this site and others). If using as a powder, mix with OJ until you are used to the taste. I mix a shot-sized amount of water with the dose and take it in one gulp.

Thanks for the advice I took this max dose (7gx3 a day for five days) and just read your response. I will take this advice and back off my milligram intake throughout the day. I also just got my first jar of aniracetam. Took my first dose this morning. I took a 1000 mg with difficulty because it didn't want to dissolve in my water. I had to shake vigorously and rerinse the bottle over and over to get it all ingested. Any advice on dosing levels for stacking aniracetam and piracetam, and how do you administer aniracetam since it is apparantly not very water soluble?

I have not used Aniracetam, but am currently considering switching from Piracetam to it. I don't think I would take both at the same time as I believe there is wisdom in knowing there can be too much of a good thing. Right now, I think I'm going to stick with the Piracetam, although I am curious about Ani. I'll let you know what I think if I switch. However, Aniracetam is lipid soluble according to what I've read. Fats are a category of lipids and one such example of fats are the Omega's. I am purely hypothesizing as I haven't seen this anywhere before and I certainly am not qualified to say for sure, but possibly you could get a flax seed oil (non-pill form) and mix the two. I'd appreciate if anyone has feedback on this because I'm wondering even if stacking a lipid and ani will increase its bio-availability somehow.
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Posted: Jun 21 2007, 01:06 PM
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Anyone from BN give me an answer on Piracetam shelf life? I guess Ill just start taking it again and see. I have a ton of this crap left....I shouldnt say crap, because this stuff is a God send.
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Posted: Jul 4 2007, 02:34 AM
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what is the shelf life of Piracetam?  I bought some here 2 years ago and still haven't finished it.  Also, can I take it if I am taking Ritalin?

I only use piracetam for the creativity it brings me

be careful of ritalin increasing in strength. there are widespread reports of certain chemicals being potentiated by piracetam, namely MDMA. While ritalin doesn't look much like MDMA chemically, I simply don't know which drugs (if any, in reality) are affected in this way and which are not.

I have used both together. I have seen no change in the effect of Ritalin with Piracetam, not positive nor negative. I was hoping that they might be synergistic since both by themselves seem to improve focus and concentration. Unfortunately, while Piracetam was helpful by itself and Ritalin was helpful by itself, the effect of both taken together does not seem to be either quantitatively or qualitatively different than Ritalin alone.
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Posted: Mar 31 2008, 05:39 AM
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Anyone tried Pramiracetam (Neupramir or Pramistar)?

Do those Racetams have any sleep deprivation effect or can they be taken before going to sleep?
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Posted: Apr 11 2008, 11:01 AM
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Well hers what aniracetam did for me in the recommended dosage for 3 weeks straight:
Bad bad pumps (bad in the sense of shitty) , like a loss of motivation and juice after like 3-4 reps and thats not normal for me.
Red face, but thats chill...
Mixed wit a high dose of phenibut it made me have a mini seizure , shitty.
The ONLY good point i saw is that when i was working i had no problemo handling 4 tasks at the same and that in a stressful situation.
verdict: Keep yer money this is not a noo-tropic its stupid.

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Posted: May 7 2008, 08:36 PM
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ive had wonderous results using about 2400mg piracetam ,750mg aniracetam ,3600mg of lecithin ,300mg alpha gpc,250mg cdp choline, 400mg ALC+200mg ALA,90mg idebenone,500mg centrophenoxine,all two times a day plus 4.5mg hydergine once.
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Posted: May 7 2008, 08:37 PM
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ive had wonderous results using about 2400mg piracetam ,750mg aniracetam ,3600mg of lecithin ,300mg alpha gpc,250mg cdp choline, 400mg ALC+200mg ALA,90mg idebenone,500mg centrophenoxine,all two times a day plus 4.5mg hydergine once.
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Posted: May 8 2008, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (shpongled @ Aug 17 2004, 04:29 AM)
Read the article below. I do not think it is a significant concern.

I also posted this elsewhere:

1. Aniracetam does not directly stimulate AMPA receptors - instead, it slows the rate of desensitization/deactivation in the presence of an agonist, thus amplifying long-term potentiation. It does this allosterically, in other words, it does not directly act at the binding site. It only has an effect in the presence of an agonist. So you can't really compare it to an excitotoxin.

2. Aniracetam is selective at certain types of AMPA receptors, in certain areas of the brain.

3. Aniracetam-induced AMPA receptor activation --> kainate receptor desensitization, serving as a negative feedback mechanism. It is possible that this actually leads to a net reduction of excitotoxicity, since, as mentioned previously, aniracetam does not act as an agonist.

4. One of the metabolites of aniracetam positively modulates group II metabotropic glutamate receptors, and some subtypes of mGlu reduce excitotoxicity.

5. The metabolites of aniracetam have many other effects that could potentially counteract any possible excitotoxicity. Accordingly, the majority of the research shows aniracetam to prevent excitotoxicity. Instead of theories, we actually have information on the endpoint, which on balance is in favor of aniracetam acting as a neuroprotectant.

Good info.

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Posted: May 9 2008, 03:48 PM
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Hi,

I am about to start takeing piracetam with choline bitartrate. I will experiment with the doses. My question is - I currently take 5htp 100mg before bed as it appears to help with my mood and general well being. Does anyone have any info on whether this could cause any problems with piraacetam. I also take a dose of creatine ether 3g each morning and sometimes L glutamine though I understand this is not a problem. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks
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Posted: Jun 3 2008, 01:34 AM
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Did piracetam make short -term memory worse for any of you? I've been on it for about 4 days and it seems like I tend to forget thigs I've done 2 mins ago. I rarely have this. Does this mean I should stop or is this a phase I have to get through? Does this get better?
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Posted: Jun 28 2008, 08:33 PM
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Every day that goes by, I'm becoming more and more enamoured with my new love: Piracetam! Because rather than tolerance making the doses less effective, I am finding them to last longer and longer. At first I would start getting a bit of mental tiredness about one hour before the next dose (I admit stretching the doses over way too long a time period - 5-5.5 hours instead of 4). Now I don't even notice a drop in the clarity or awakeness before my next dose.

In other words, this stuff is making lasting, functional changes to my brain, which means I just don't get mentally tired like I used to.

Its been eight days, but not once have I felt tired, at any moment in my waking hours, even at the end of long days of work and after repeated 2.00am nights. Yes, this stuff is God in powdered form, truly. My life is now clear, sharp, alert. Before I would get so tired working on my PC in the afternoons, I would constantly be falling into microsleeps. It was terrible. Btw. I've never used any caffeine or alcohol or prescription stimulants.

Best, no matter how late the dose, I can work 'till whatever hour then flop into bed and go to sleep right away. It doesn't interfere in the least with sleep, in fact sleep is deeper and more refreshing than ever, with significantly more brilliant dreams.

I did have to start eating egg yolks, due to the appearance on day three of an extremely mild headache (barely noticeable). Within two hours after eating six egg yolks, it was gone, permanently. I'm currently eating six raw egg yolks per day, and will cut back to four shortly. They're delicious, too.

I take 3 teaspoons a day, at these times:

1. 9.00a (or whenever I get up)
2. 4.00p
3. 9.00p

I'm just so amazed how my brain can really perform. This stuff is the most truly magical compound. The closest to a total genetic re-engineering of the brain, without having to do so.

Even better, it potentiates cannabis significantly for me (2x) and decreases negative side-effects!
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Posted: Jun 28 2008, 08:59 PM
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Holy piracetam spokesman...

Contact your elected officials about H.R. 5843! LEGALIZE IT!

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