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Posted: Aug 27 2008, 04:59 PM
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Ok. Whats a good SERM? and where can you get them?

Also, what dosage and for what number of weeks should I PCT for Epi?
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Posted: Aug 27 2008, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (PumpJunky @ Aug 27 2008, 04:59 PM)
Ok. Whats a good SERM? and where can you get them?

Also, what dosage and for what number of weeks should I PCT for Epi?

Cannot ask for sources all I can tell you is google is your friend. If you need to ask how long to do a pct for Epi your not ready to use it more research is needed smile.gif

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Posted: Aug 27 2008, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (workingatit46 @ Aug 27 2008, 08:41 PM)
QUOTE (PumpJunky @ Aug 27 2008, 04:59 PM)
Ok. Whats a good SERM? and where can you get them?

Also, what dosage and for what number of weeks should I PCT for Epi?

Cannot ask for sources all I can tell you is google is your friend. If you need to ask how long to do a pct for Epi your not ready to use it more research is needed (IMG:http://forums.bulknutrition.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Oh, i didn't know sources weren't allowed, didnt read the stickys i guess.

I've done a ton of research, but everyone seems to have a different method of PCT, and was just trying to get some quick advise.

You don't have to reply if you're just gonna say, im not ready...?
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Posted: Aug 28 2008, 12:55 PM
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Get yourself some tamoxifen citrate or clomiphene citrate. Look for either someone in your are that sells juice, he'll have plenty and it's dirt cheap, cheaper than the legal stuff that doesn't do anything. Look for an online juicebar.... or look for a research chemical site, it's a site that'll sell these items and more under the guise of them not being intended for human use. Then again through that same guise you could be getting coolaid in a spray bottle. All the aforementioned methods have their risks. But so does using a steroid without the proper pct. Most guys I know who have not run proper pcts from a short prohormone cycle have been fine, but I know of a few, one case in particular, who developed gyno or lactated. I don't know about you but personally I'd rather not lactate. dry.gif
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Posted: Aug 28 2008, 03:54 PM
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my take epi right is its leans u out with no sides. im on my 4th week now nothing unremarkable strength gains or anything but bf has went down and mood is decent. As of right now i honestly think rpm could do bout the same effect with my exp with both
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Posted: Aug 28 2008, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (MichiganHater @ Aug 28 2008, 03:54 PM)
my take epi right is its leans u out with no sides. im on my 4th week now nothing unremarkable strength gains or anything but bf has went down and mood is decent. As of right now i honestly think rpm could do bout the same effect with my exp with both

Epi has sides do not kid yourself. It will cause shutdown and will make you lose hair if your prone to it and will dry your joints out. It can cause pumps and loss of libido to name a few smile.gif

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Posted: Aug 28 2008, 06:11 PM
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but most people dont get them smile.gif

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Do most people take Nolva with havoc?
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QUOTE (workingatit46 @ Aug 28 2008, 06:10 PM)
QUOTE (MichiganHater @ Aug 28 2008, 03:54 PM)
my take epi right is its leans u out with no sides. im on my 4th week now nothing  unremarkable strength gains or anything but bf has went down and  mood is decent. As of right now i honestly think rpm could do bout the same effect with my exp with both

Epi has sides do not kid yourself. It will cause shutdown and will make you lose hair if your prone to it and will dry your joints out. It can cause pumps and loss of libido to name a few smile.gif

Correction drys the fuck out of ur joints
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Posted: Aug 29 2008, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE (tazshane @ Aug 28 2008, 08:39 PM)
Do most people take Nolva with havoc?

most people taking epi/havoc r running mild to low pct in which nolva should be on hand but can be taken care of with an atd and estrogen blocker like inbhit e solid product by sns
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Posted: Aug 29 2008, 11:02 AM
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Can the dry joint problem be helped by Glucosamin and Chondroitin, or any other joint supp?

I'm trying to figure out which PH I'm going to run, and was leaning towards Epi, but Arthritis runs in my family. Would running a 4 week cycle on epi have any lasting effects or increase my susseptiblity to arthritis in older age?
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Posted: Aug 29 2008, 01:55 PM
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i doubt it man, maybe if you really messed ur joints up it could but if you take those 2 compounds you just said plus load up on fish oil while on cycle and lots lots of water i think you should be fine. there are other joint supps to take, like cissus and applied nutritionals have a new joint product-suppose to be good

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Posted: Aug 29 2008, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (On3musta @ Aug 28 2008, 06:11 PM)
but most people dont get them smile.gif

alot of people get one or more of these sides. smile.gif

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I'm about set to do my first PH cycle ever, and I decided on CynergE, mainly because it is the epistane/epithio compound with 750mg cissus, to keep the joints lubed. For like 8$ more than your standard epistane, you get a months supply of cissus "which is always expensive, unless you buy bulk form, which tastes like rat dick".

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