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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 08:28 AM
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You might want to measure your food, and calculate exactly how many calories you consume. You might be surprised by how much you're actually eating. Last time I was dieting down, I reached what I thought was a plateau, then I started weighing all my food, and realized I was eating way more than I thought I was.

You can get a food scale pretty cheap, and I'm sure you already have measuring cups. www.nutritiondata.com is where I get nutrition information if it's not on the package. Then I use Excel (spreadsheet) to calculate everything. There are diet tracking programs you can use online if you don't know how to use a spreadsheet.

On the other hand, if you don't want to measure, you can always cut back by small amounts until you see some weight come off. It shouldn't be all in one meal, so try cutting small portions out of every meal--a little less oatmeal, or fewer blueberries, a little less rice, etc..

During a cut, I try to taper off my carbs toward the end of the day. I've actually purchased some Zero Carb Isopure just for my PM meals. Seems to be working pretty well.

Oh, and don't forget your cheat meals/days. Even if it's not eating "dirtier", eat MORE every now and then, to give your metabolism a boost. Your body adapts very quickly to a low calorie diet, so throw it some curve balls.

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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 08:38 AM
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Sounds to me like you're putting on muscle and thats why you haven't lost weight. You may be one of those girls that puts muscle on easily. Plus with all the exercise and protein you're ingesting it's quite possible. You said your bodyfat% is goin down and you look firmer. I'm sure you know muscle weighs more than fat... Anyone else agree?

If that is the case, as someone else mentioned, having more muscle will help you burn more calories, etc... you need to decide what kind of physique you are going for... low weight or low bodyfat or both.

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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 08:53 AM
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Thanks--I use Fitday and weigh my meat so I know how much I'm eating. Yes, I do think I'm losing bodyfat but just wondered at what point the pounds should start coming off..I think maybe I'm finally on the right track..for one think I was eating around 1500-1600 calories and that was not working..I upped to 1700-1800 with higher days and lower days in between and that made me look better..not so spongy looking!
You know, I go back and forth with what I want to look like! Some days I want to be at a certain weight/size, other days I just want to be firm and hard no matter what the scale says! I think in the end, the second option is what I really want. I was 125 pounds with no muscle tone before and I looked worse that I do now in a way--I like being toned...not skinny. Plus, my best friend is starving herself or something because she lost all of her muscle tone in a month and I realize how awful that looks to be bone and fat!!! Ewww...
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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 02:14 PM
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Karen i dont know why you havent given an ECY stack some consideration. Between that and the cardio, plus the caloric deficit, the fat should start coming off.

these other weightloss pills take a backseat to that stack.

Just take that stack on an empty stomach....yohimbine works best that way. Carbs interfere with its effectiveness. Then 30-40 mins later do your cardio.

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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 04:44 PM
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I thought ephedrine was off the market again?
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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 04:57 PM
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You live in the US, right? Check your local 7-11 some time.

supplementwarehouse . com is the best place I've found for it (deplocet). I get 3 bottles of 60 tabs @ 25mg for $.... holy hell! the price went down, just checked... $15/bottle of 60 tabs @ 25mg. Damn! I just paid about $60 for 3. dry.gif

Time to stock up I guess. biggrin.gif

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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE (karen67376 @ Jun 30 2008, 04:44 PM)
I thought ephedrine was off the market again?

No. Only if its marketed as a "dietary supplement".

Its still widely available as a bronch aid/asthma relief medicine.
You can get the sulfate version at CVS (Bronkaid) or the hydrochloride version from Biotek, check my signature link. i personally cannot tell the difference between the two but others have stated hcl is superior.


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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 06:25 PM
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oh, cool. Didn't know that. So, as a female how would you recommend I stack the three?
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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 08:53 PM
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25 mgs ephedrine
2.5 to 5 mgs yohimbine
200 mgs caffeine

You can safely take that up to 3-4 times a day. Probably best to start off with 2 x a day until your body acclimates to it. Just stay hydrated.

I personally go much higher as i use it as a pre-workout boost and my tolerance is extremely high.

but thats a basic ecy stack. You could eventually customize or tweek it by adding in a few extra's....

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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Jun 30 2008, 08:53 PM)
25 mgs ephedrine
2.5 to 5 mgs yohimbine
200 mgs caffeine

You can safely take that up to 3-4 times a day. Probably best to start off with 2 x a day until your body acclimates to it. Just stay hydrated.

I personally go much higher as i use it as a pre-workout boost and my tolerance is extremely high.

but thats a basic ecy stack. You could eventually customize or tweek it by adding in a few extra's....

Is this stack really that good? Ive always read about it never tried...superior to "fat burners" ??

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Posted: Jun 30 2008, 09:37 PM
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Only problem I had with those ephedrine tabs is that they put that bronchiolator in the pill, so I was constantly hacking phlegm up.

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Posted: Jul 1 2008, 07:37 AM
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Deplocet has no Guaifenesin (mucus stuff).

For a woman, I wouldn't suggest taking a whole serving. Probably make you jittery as hell. Start with half, and work your way up.

Personally, I do what this articlesuggests, and have had great results (10/100mg every 2-3 hours, instead of 25/200mg every 5-6). Others might do better taking larger doses, but I prefer to spread it out a little more.

Jayv, check out that link I posted, great deal on ephedrine! They've got some good deals on caffeine too.

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Posted: Jul 1 2008, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE (Lorken @ Jul 1 2008, 07:37 AM)
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Jayv, check out that link I posted, great deal on ephedrine! They've got some good deals on caffeine too.

noted. I'll consider them once i check them out further.


I ordered from a canadian site before for a bulk supply of ephedrine....sndonline.net i believe.

But i have a feeling the pills were underdosed.

The guaf really isnt a problem. If you're hacking up Phlegm, thats a good thing. It means that crap was in your bronchial, probably hindering you're ability to breathe.


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Posted: Jul 1 2008, 03:38 PM
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are you guys taking the ECY stack everyday? I was reading that some suggest two days on, then one day off?
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Posted: Jul 3 2008, 03:30 AM
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I've always read that E and Y should never be taken at the same time due to putting a lot of stress on the heart.
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Posted: Jul 3 2008, 10:07 AM
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...nothing burns fat like clen + t3. NOTHING.

Starting GH in sept apparantly 2-3iu ED is going to keep me lean during my fall/winter bulk...


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Posted: Jul 3 2008, 12:11 PM
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i would say that nothing burns fat like t3. i hate clen and get just about nothing from it.

u get a good price on GH pt?
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Posted: Jul 3 2008, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE (goodskie @ Jul 3 2008, 12:11 PM)
i would say that nothing burns fat like t3. i hate clen and get just about nothing from it.

u get a good price on GH pt?

locally. my guy gets jin, $250 for 100iu kits.

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Posted: Jul 3 2008, 09:18 PM
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Real GH will set you back about $3k/mo. So, you're prolly getting garbage. But, maybe you'll at least get a good placebo effect from it.

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Posted: Jul 3 2008, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE (PotentiallyFatal @ Jul 3 2008, 10:07 AM)
...nothing burns fat like clen + t3. NOTHING.


what about DNP?

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