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Posted: Jun 20 2008, 01:30 AM
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Anybody heard anything about this? Wondering if it's worth givin it a try

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Posted: Jun 20 2008, 01:31 AM
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You have a link?
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Posted: Jun 20 2008, 01:34 AM
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http://ergopharm.net/products_1ad.php

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Posted: Jun 20 2008, 01:40 AM
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Hmm....I'm curious to this as well..
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Posted: Jun 20 2008, 05:27 AM
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dont waste your money
its just modified DHEA molecules.

double bond at the first or the 4th carbon.

(1 ad and 4 ad)

it apparently converts into 1 androstendione or 4 androstenedione (if its 4-DHEA) but conversion rates are not 100 percent.
so give it the benefit of the doubt and say that 70 percent of it actually does convert to the target pro hormone.

even then, only about 20-30 percent of the prohormone will actually convert into the active steroid (done by the 17 HSD enzyme)

so imagine a watered down 1 ad or a 4 ad.

not exactly the good stuff.

just know that its only slightly better than regular DHEA. which isnt saying much.

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Posted: Jun 21 2008, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (opfor101 @ Jun 20 2008, 05:27 AM)
dont waste your money
its just modified DHEA molecules.

double bond at the first or the 4th carbon.

(1 ad and 4 ad)

it apparently converts into 1 androstendione or 4 androstenedione (if its 4-DHEA) but conversion rates are not 100 percent.
so give it the benefit of the doubt and say that 70 percent of it actually does convert to the target pro hormone.

even then, only about 20-30 percent of the prohormone will actually convert into the active steroid (done by the 17 HSD enzyme)

so imagine a watered down 1 ad or a 4 ad.

not exactly the good stuff.

just know that its only slightly better than regular DHEA. which isnt saying much.

If the price were right, I guess it could be dosed appropriately to get about the same benefit. Hopefully it'll be priced reasonably.
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great, you could stack it with 3-ad for 5 weeks and gain nothing. sign me up.


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Posted: Jun 23 2008, 02:27 AM
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QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Jun 22 2008, 08:37 PM)
great, you could stack it with 3-ad for 5 weeks and gain nothing. sign me up.

you forgot GAKIC!!!! mad.gif

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Posted: Jun 23 2008, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE (opfor101 @ Jun 23 2008, 02:27 AM)
QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Jun 22 2008, 08:37 PM)
great, you could stack it with 3-ad for 5 weeks and gain nothing. sign me up.

you forgot GAKIC!!!! mad.gif

Umm hello?..........Luekic aswell!

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Posted: Jun 23 2008, 03:43 PM
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priced for a chump
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Posted: Jun 23 2008, 03:50 PM
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I heard your avg cycle, you need to run 3 bottles?
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Posted: Jun 29 2008, 12:28 AM
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rip off.
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