Here is some good info on OTC pct

I always agree to have Nolva on hand but with some of the milder orals around such as Epi, Havoc and H-drol Post Cycle Support can be enough with some I3C and may a AI to run at the end.

For the more potent cycles I also would run Nolva but would also run some PCS.

you can sometimes get away with it. my best friend kept all his gains after a havoc cycle with no pct.

I always use a serm to be safe tho. why not ya know

did arnold and the guys in his day even have serms?

Five weeks on m-dien. It was decent, since I ran a high enough dose to be somewhat effective. There was a leaning out effect, but nothing all that dramatic.

It was enough that the gf did comment that I looked like I leaned out a lot in the waist, which is encouraging. Another nice benefit was a pretty good strength increase. It helped me get back into the kind of shape I was before having surgery, so that was good.

I had to get an umbilical hernia repaired in early march and it kind of sucked because I couldn't work out at all for a few weeks, then just cardio for like another month. Pain in the ass to see yourself regressing but not be able to do anything about it.

Back to the point, though, I'd def. recommend toremifene over nolva, if you guys haven't tried it yet. I'm feeling much more "recovered" than in previous PCT's and I'm only a week or so into it.

It's said not to mix w/ w/ anything that can aromatize, so I would say you're right. If you're taking it alone, you might be fine, but if you're prone, you might not want to even mess w/ it. It's one of the very few hormones that most everyone said wasn't good to stack w/ 4AD.

4AD converted to test, so it was stackable w/ pretty much anything except m-dien. I used m-dien twice and never had any issues, though.

I would, just to be on the safe side.

The body would take a very long time to recover from a ph/ps cycle on its own. During that time, estrogen would be elevated, as would cortisol, yet your natural production of testosterone would be just starting to resume.

That's a situation where you'd lose most, if not all of your gains and might well have performance issues in the bedroom as well as the gym. SERMs modulate the activity of estrogen receptors so that even when your estrogen is elevated, it's not going to hurt you if the receptors can't do much w/ all that estrogen.

Bottom line is that a SERM is just a smart thing to use in this situation. I read somewhere that doing a proper PCT is like wiping your ass. You don't HAVE to do it, but things go much better for you if you do.

WOW! You need to read up a whole lot before you think of messing with and PH/PS.

35mg won't do jack. Take at least 70mg.