Can anyone shed some light on this? It has happened twice so far in this, my first injectable cycle. After a few rounds in the same muscle group I get a painful lump develop. I started injecting my glutes and got to about three injects per side. On the last inject on left I developed a lump that was sore to pressure. I immediately thought "abscess" and freaked. It didn't seem to get worse and after a few days subsided and went away. I switched to injecting pecs and almost the exact same thing. My last injection of week six (i.e. three per pec) I developed a very prominent lump in my right pec. The lump has been there (and still is), I think, since the injection or at least a day or so after. Injection was last Monday. It started getting sore about Thursday and really sore by Friday. Today is a little better but If I try to stretch my pec I can really feel it. I have no fever and it is not really hot to the touch nor is it red.

I know about the ratio of the oils to the steroid to keep it at about 200mg/ml. My stuff is 400mg/ml and I have not cut it. I am injecting 300mg/inject. The post injection soreness has always been bearable in glutes and pecs but was completely unbearable in quad. Did that only once, literally could not take the pain.

Could it simply be a build-up in the muscle and the muscle not being able to disperse it? The pain doesn't start immediately but usually several or more days after the injection. The only thing that happened differently with this last pec injection is that I kind of fucked up on the injection. I inserted and forgot to aspirate and just started injecting. I got a little of the product in and remembered so I stopped injecting, pulled back on plunger, got no blood and started injecting again. Stupid and amateurish, I know but could that have anything to do with it? That would not explain the similar occurrence in the glute though.

Sorry for the long post but I am beginning to dread the injections. I have now switched back to glutes and my last was Thursday and no problem whatsoever - only minor soreness. I am thinking about trying delts to see how they feel but am a little worried about having to use only one hand, especially my left.

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are you rubbing the injectin site after the injection to help dispurse the deposit?

do you rotate inject sites every time? If not then that could be the problem. Also try running the vial under warm water so it dispersis better.

I do rotate spots every time but I sort of go back and forth. Example, I started with glutes and went back and forth from left side to right side for my twice weekly injections so that the same glute got injected every 7 days. After the first lump I switched to pecs and did the same thing with them. Since the pec lump I have now switched back to glutes.

Re: warming - I have heard mixed reviews about this. Some say it works others say it makes it worse. Suppose I can try it to get first hand experience.

i like how the first 2 replies on this thread are from people who have absolutely no experience whatsoever injecting AAS

first off, how much cc are you injecting? what are you injecting?
i know higher concentrated gear will typically hurt much more. i have 500mg/ml test that im running and even .5cc of it will hurt if im not mixing it with some EQ.
try mixing your gear will some sterile oil to cut the pain.
the warming method is hit or miss. there would be times when it has helped me and other times where its made it worse. same thing with massaging the site after injecting. it can make it worse as well....

my first shot made my leg look like a watermelon was in it, red as fuck and I could barely walk for a week. now I love quad shots. just how it goes bro

Dude. Try rotating your injection sites to space as much time as possible between hitting the same site twice. You said you're doing left pec right pec until it you got a lump. You were doing left glute then right glute until you got a lump and you switched sites. Try something like Left delt, right delt, left pec, right pec, left quad, right quad, left glute, right glute. Then repeat. That way you get the most time possible between reinjecting a site. I had a lump develop in my right quad on my cycle, it would go away within the week but I would get it everytime I hit that quad. Even if you still get a lump from the oil at least by rotating sites properly you'll give it time to dissipate before the next shot. Also the few times I got lumps I think I got them from injecting too fast. Try slowing down. A lot. .1cc per second or slower. Then leave the needle in for about 30 seconds before pulling out to avoid oil following the needle and dispersing into lets say the subcutaneous layer.

I'm a noob. Plenty of other guys here with more exp than me and If I'm wrong with any of this advice please feel free to correct me and I'll learn from it as well.

Thanks guys. All good advice. I guess what I was worried about most, especially with this last one, was the pain along with the lump. The pain was actually quite bad. Not trying to be a pussy but I have more or less gotten used to the shots and pretty much know what to expect. So when this large lump developed along with the much greater than normal pain, I got a little worried.

Lump is definitely better today. It has reduced noticeably. The pain is also gone down but it is still there. I am wondering whether to go through with chest day tomorrow or hit something else and give it a couple extra days. I guess we'll see how it feels tomorrow.

I generally try to inject slowly. I don't time it but i guess it takes me about 15 to 20 seconds to inject my .75 cc. I leave the needle in for about a five count. Thirty seconds - really? That will be hard. I guess we naturally have an aversion to leaving sharp things stuck in our bodies for any longer than we have to.

I will definitely rotate sites alot more and avoid going back and forth. I'm working up to delts and have not been able to bring myself to try another glute shot. Maybe next cycle because I will be using EQ along with test on that one.

Thanks again for all the input.

Personally I found delts to be both the easiest to inject (tricky to aspirate though with one hand) and the least painful afterwards. They hurt. But they hurt like someone punched you really hard in the shoulder, tender really, not sore. Not much pain when moving around so it's my fav spot. It took a lot of will power not to do delts over and over again because It was def my sweet spot.

Personally I found delts to be both the easiest to inject (tricky to aspirate though with one hand) and the least painful afterwards. They hurt. But they hurt like someone punched you really hard in the shoulder, tender really, not sore. Not much pain when moving around so it's my fav spot. It took a lot of will power not to do delts over and over again because It was def my sweet spot.

That's exactly how I feel about Pecs and Glutes. I have very little problems there - except for the painful lumps described above. I will have to rotate to more injection spots as you said. I will try delts but, as you said, aspirating will be tricky.




[/QUOTE](typeRob @ Jun 28 2008, 09:05 PM)
try mixing your gear will some sterile oil to cut the pain.

best advice evar

rubbing the site is a nono. you could break knicked capillliers and cause more bruising...

if your gear was in the fridge then fucking ya. warm it up to ROOM TEMP anything warmer will cause inj site to swell up.

some gear hurts more than others. pain is not normal and effects performance and mood. dont get into the mindset to accept it...try to aleviate it.[QUOTE]


Haven't really felt the need to cut because all the shots so far have been very manageable. Only the quad shot was a problem and the lumps described herein. I keep my gear at room temp and I don't warm it prior to injecting. I haven't had any bruising at all.

On the topic of cutting - and I hope I don't sound completely ignorant here - but are these sterile oils something I can purchase over-the-counter or do I have to get them from a "specialty supplier". Like I said, I have been very lucky with my gear. It appears to be very high quality and, despite the high dosing, is very manageable. Just thick as molasses. Takes about 90 seconds to two minutes to load syringe. I use 25 g. May have to get larger for loading but did not want to chew up stopper too badly because it is a 20 ml vial.

The lump is much, much smaller today and the pain is a lot less too. My biggest worry was infection and abscess. Man, I do NOT want to have to deal with one of those.

[/QUOTE]my first shot made my leg look like a watermelon was in it, red as fuck and I could barely walk for a week. now I love quad shots. just how it goes bro[QUOTE]

Goodskie - how many shots before you did not have that problem? Is it just a matter of the muscle getting used to the gear in it?

Van - were your lumps painful or just lumps?

Thanks again for all your help here guys. This forum is a great resource and I'm thankful you guys have taken the time to help out.[QUOTE][/QUOTE][QUOTE][/QUOTE][QUOTE][/QUOTE]

I think the rubbing and warming your gear is different for everyone. I do it and have pretty much no pain, even from a 3 cc inject. But to each his own, id at least try it and see if it helps, if it dont then stop. Also try hitting the thickest part of the muscle, i get a knot if i hit low into the thinner part of my delt. Just experiment a lil bit and see what works for you.

Don't get me wrong, most of my shots were painful afterwards to some degree. Quads especially. They would leave me rather stiff legged for a few days. I would try to space the leg shots either as far away from a leg work out as possible or later in the day after already working out legs to avoid not being able to perform. As far as the lump, I got it both in my right quad and in my left pec the first few times I injected them. Painful to the touch, firm, and it hurt when stretching the muscle. Nothing unbearable though. But that's very subjective as everyone has different pain thresholds. I'm pretty sure they're just oil depots or abscesses but not infection abscesses which are the nightmare ones that everyone must be wary of. As long as your gear is sterile and you follow proper hygienic practices when injecting I think you should be fine. And being that you're sticking a 1" to 1.5" needle as deep into your muscle as you can and the pumping it full of a viscous substance I would expect a decent amount of pain. And steady hands make a difference too. On shots were I was too jittery or sloppy they hurt unbearably afterwards.

just a few per muscle. but different gear hurts much more than others. i got a giant lump in my ass once.....not on but in. that wasnt cool. sucks for sitting down