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 is this oral cycle feasible w/o F*KIN sumone over?, criticism, friendly advice appreciated. |  |
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| QUOTE (accent115 @ Jul 11 2008, 01:01 PM) | | It'll be disappointing when you're gains stop at week 4 but your liver is coming outta your asshole 2 months down the line. Why don't u just pick two DS's and stack them for 4 weeks, do you pct then jump right back on. |
i dun think my gains wud stop after week 4 but i cud see my liver shit out my ass...  def wud be easier but i was tryin to make up a oral cycle4 fun that was long & crazy enuff to be borderline safe. The 11-OXO i wud do w/o the pulse it pretty much the same thing as the 1AD bridge to 11-OXO one. instead 1AD is replaced w/ 2 weeks 4AD, then 2 weeks M1T @ 5g the other cycle is like M1T 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off w/ 4ad, 2weeks on, pct. but weeks 1,2 & 5,6 r pretty much stretch out like crazy. im trying to stretch them out as far as they can possible go lol. &hopefully ill find sumthin that will still be safe hehe
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| QUOTE (accent115 @ Jul 11 2008, 01:31 PM) | | I wouldn't waste your money on 11oxo you need to spend like 120 on it alone for a cycle. |
i was guna put 11 TEST its $16.99 60 cap per bottle. ( 11-OXO clone) i just used 11-OXO $35.99 60 cap per bottle as a example because is more acknowledged. both needs 2 bottles to maintain a proper cycle.
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| QUOTE (goodskie @ Jul 11 2008, 02:35 PM) | | you're goin to get so mother fuckin jacked off 11oxo |
11-OXO is to help consolidate and solidify the muscle mass gained from the 4AD & M1T where i already made reference here to be understood http://www.ergopharm.net/products_1ad.php-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 OXO Bridge Note: For greater retention of gains you can exercise the option of utilizing the 11 OXO bridge in between the 1-AD cycle and the PCT. The 11 OXO bridge will help shed any extra water or bodyfat gained during the cycle, and its anti-catabolic effects will help consolidate and solidify the muscle mass gained. The 11 OXO bridge should be commenced immediately after the 1-AD portion of the cycle is over, and PCT should be commenced immediately after the 11 OXO bridge is completed. Suggested Bridge Cycle Week 5-8: 6 caps 11 OXO daily with food (3 caps taken twice per day) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- shud do a nice job cleanin up any unwanted crap.
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well, the pulse is a waste of time for a cycle that long....the purpose of that is to minimize sde effects and supression. clearly, with the cycle you've got planned you don't care about that.... alos, i don't think starting with something like Epistane, which is an antiestrogen, and shifting to another compound is a good idea. you're gonna knock out all your estrogen on that, and then when your body's supressed, shift to something else whihc can casue aromitzation. i think you're asking for problems with that.... how much is that all gonna cost, btw?
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| QUOTE (cycobushmaster @ Jul 11 2008, 03:23 PM) | well, the pulse is a waste of time for a cycle that long....the purpose of that is to minimize sde effects and supression. clearly, with the cycle you've got planned you don't care about that....
how much is that all gonna cost, btw? |
the Epi @the start is jus there if feasible to extend a oral cycle longer and also act like a kickstart w/gains. i was hoping that pulsing w/a compound so light that it wud be almost like as if u didnt run anything at all. its jus a idea thats all... cycle can still be runned w/or /w/out it. hopefully if u follow the epi pulse w/2 weeks of 4AD u cud start a real straight threw cycle. if u count the epi pulse thats a 16 week cycle lol thats just crazy... i jus wanted2 kno for fun if it was feasible & if it was actually safe enuff2 run, i wud/might try it out hehe IBE Epistane / AI Cycle Support Stack = $73.99 a bottle of 4DERM back in the day was = $20.00 last u 2 weeks M1T Underground Labs 5mg caps x 180 = $20.00 11 TEST = $16.99 plus money 4 supports & PCT. still reasonable if it was feasible &ur able2 run a 16-17 week cycle w/orals like this... that wud be crazy LOL 
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i dunno, maybe this start with 4AD and 11-OXO, and the transition to 11-OXO and Epistane.... i honestly think if you're gonna use 11-OXO, then use Lean Xtreme as well, to maximize cortisol control.... i guess the real question is, what are the primary goals of your cycle?
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here's my rationale for that.... start with the 4-AD and Propadrol, which should'nt be hard on your liver, but only for 3 weeks, since this is the max time you can go with minimal suppression. then we go to the half-ass PCT, which should keep your previous gains, and get your t-levels back up a bit (but there's no way you'll be COMPLETELY recovered here). then transition to the 11-OXO and Lean Xtreme, which aren't terrible suppressive, but excellent at controlling cortisol, which is an issue the longer the cycle. then add in Epistane, whihc is gonna minmize estrogen, which will start to pop up at this point.... then taper off the 11-OXO and Lean Xtreme (i don;t think anything that blocks cortisol shoudl be stopped without a taper), and transition in to a 4 week PCT.... i dunno, that's all i got. good luck! Cyco
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thx man very feasible, looks gud! thats a 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 3 weeks on thats a common excersize with M1Tid still choose to go 8 weeks straight doin the main AAS\PH substance for the first 4 weeks then followed by 4 weeks w/ propadrol or 11-OXO to solidify gains. that shudnt be a problem w/ the right precaution & supports. i wudnt suggest doin that after doin 4 weeks of M1T. U shud already know that 4 weeks of M1T is enuff to simplify it.... no need to do more!
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