The Opmeister makes an appearance! Good to see you posting and dropping some science.

Im not really a big fan of steriod.com they have some very misleading information on there, like short estered test causes less bloat. There is more of a difference if you look at the molecules between dianabol and Equipoise, here is a link were you can go down close to the bottom to see the actual molecules, you will notice 2 differences, like most other compounds 1 or 2 differences make a world of difference.

See the molecules here.
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-steroid-chemistry2.aspx

Well, I like the idea of using a cyano group at position 2 because the 3-carbonyl is helped by structural reinforcement, but its use of a nitrogen atom at that point seems to have me believe that it won't produce results as well as something like Anadrol, which uses a similar albeit simpler technique.

I haven't seen the properties of nitrogens do so well in Androgen chemistry.
Interesting to see how a nitro-augmented Androgen will do this time around....

I have too much time on my hands sometimes I think to myself.....

I'm gonna have to agree with Op for a couple of reasons.

1) He's Asian. And we all know they're the smart race.

2) He's used more gear than all of us combined and speaks from experience.

DT, that R thats "bonded" to the oxygen molecule shown on the equipoise formula,

is just to represent any carbon chain thats attached to the oxygen. That bond is most likely where the undecylate ester is attached. 11 carbon ester. "undec"

Thats the only difference I see.

the R stands for an extended oxygen chain, where dbol is OH, and has a CH3 coming off the same position. I dont think the esters are included in the lil diagram. The extended oxygen chain Im guessing since I cant see it is a double bonded '0' or does it have the stepladded bond? if its not double bonded it makes it highly reactive to an extra 0 moelecule or hyrdrogen molecule (which I doubt it would have).
The OH is an hydroxyl group and is definitely non reactive it would be the next step if the 0 on the eq is single bond and reactive with an H mol.
The CH3 is the methyl group hence oral 'methylation' this makes a huge difference by making it orally bioavailable and surviving first pass unlike eq.
EQ is a 5 alpha reductase (I think) which means no estrogenic reaction and bloating which I think that would be the molecule in the 5 alpha position on the eq molecule.
They may have similar structures to the naked eye but the positioning of the peripheral atoms makes them unique BUT in many ways the components of eq have been categorized similar to dbol.
However we see in the real world comparison- eq is much less androgenic than dbol and is also technically an nandrolone analogue while dbol is a testosterone analogue.
Compare those 2 molecules and once again you will see similarities and differences.

It really doesnt matter i got the info from an MIT proffesor and a soon to be pro over at CS. The information actually says it all, the adro to anabolic ratios would be the same or at least very close if they were in fact the same compounds. Dbold aromatizes heavily and Eq does not, another big point there that a methyl group can not change. If you look back to Ciba's research dbol is an actual derivative of testosterone, where as EQ is a nandrolone analogue these are actual facts that you can look up. Just because you (as in all of us in general) cant see the difference on the 2D molecule other than and R and a CH3, which none of us have a Doctorate so its expected that we cant see it. But i did get the info from some one who does have a doctorate in molecular biology. But once again the extreme differences in the two compounds speak for themselves.

These lil intellectual debates are actually very nice, instead of stupid little E fights with no real point or purpose behind it.

Op, are you still using Tren?

Checked 2 of the logs over at AM. Im not sure what to make of em yet.

Once i see no pics in the logs, i get bored and just X out. I'll check back i suppose.

Anyone know why PA would describe this product as DMT with a Cyano bond while others describe it as Mast?

Its the 1st week!!!!!

Give it a week

The guy updated late last night saying it was kicking in big. He's supposed to provide more details about it today. In the mean time AI posted post cycle lipid bloodwork for a couple of their testers. Looked very good. It's encouraging that a new school ph was so gentle on that.

Discontinued.


Where did Big Ben's Cynostane log go? I can't seem to find it.

Okay, damn I was thinking that was FAST! LOL I'm hoping Cyano is good stuff. The bloodwork looks excellent and one logger I'm following is reporting good strength gains and increased vascularity. The easy on the body bloodwork is very encouraging.

Shakes, sounds good to me.

So, it looks like it didn't do a whole lot for the guy that was logging it on AM. he gained 4 lbs. in 30 days. Not a bad gain, but if you're going to run a cycle, you usually want more than that. granted, he had to flu for part of the time, so hard to say for sure. That could have taken from the cycle. I'll keep an eye on other logs before I judge it for sure.

I've looked into a few other supplement websites about cynostane. I didn't look at the biochem. stats on it but, it seems like this stuff is pretty scarce to get a hold of right now. Some places advertise it as either being out of stock or discontinued. What gives, man?