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Posted: Oct 1 2009, 02:56 PM
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Posted: Oct 2 2009, 01:21 PM
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THE ARTICLE SAYS THE SKELETON IS NEITHER CHIMP NOR HUMAN...


creationism vs evolution....


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Posted: Oct 3 2009, 01:19 PM
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This was a pretty interesting article. I'm curious to see what ends up coming out of this.
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Posted: Oct 4 2009, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE (joseph23573 @ Oct 2 2009, 01:21 PM)
THE ARTICLE SAYS THE SKELETON IS NEITHER CHIMP NOR HUMAN...


creationism vs evolution....

How is it creationism vs evolution?

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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 11:36 AM
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humans are not decendents of chimps or any kind of ape like creature.


similar in many ways, but completely different.



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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 11:40 AM
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No one is disputing that they aren't the same. They have a common ancestor.

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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 03:08 PM
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everyone has their own opinion...

however i believe we were "created", and are the center of creation. all other species of animals are different, not so much physically, as we are all made of elements from the earth and outer space, but rather spiritually different.


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its a cool discovery though, all the different animals which arent around anylonger, but were before...
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kinda looks like roids

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Posted: Oct 21 2009, 07:51 AM
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Posted: Oct 21 2009, 11:39 AM
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Makes you wonder why after 4.4 million years apes just remaind damm stinking dirty aps and man according to scientists evolved?

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Posted: Oct 21 2009, 12:37 PM
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im pretty sure the second law of thermodynamics renders the theory of evolution useless...
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Posted: Oct 21 2009, 02:47 PM
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im pretty sure the second law of thermodynamics renders the theory of evolution useless...

"In a system, a process that occurs will tend to increase the total entropy of the universe."
Exactly how does that negate the possibility of change in species over time? Evolution exists, by evidence of the fact that humans aren't all one race.

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Posted: Oct 21 2009, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE (DR X @ Oct 21 2009, 11:39 AM)
Makes you wonder why after 4.4 million years apes just remaind damm stinking dirty aps and man according to scientists evolved?

Apes and other primates have evolved. All modern primates evolved from species similar to this animal. Modern primates (including humans) are different from this ancient species. So hence apes have evolved.

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Posted: Oct 21 2009, 08:24 PM
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‘Missing link’ primate isn’t a link after all
Expert: Ida is as far from monkey-ape-human ancestry as primate can be

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A new analysis says that a 47-million-year-old skeleton of the most complete fossil primate ever found, unveiled May 19 at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, is actually as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate can be.
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updated 12:52 p.m. ET, Wed., Oct . 21, 2009
NEW YORK - Remember Ida, the fossil discovery announced last May with its own book and TV documentary? A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans.

Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative. And now a new analysis supports their reaction.

In fact, Ida is as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate could be, says Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in New York.

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He and his colleagues compared 360 specific anatomical features of 117 living and extinct primate species to draw up a family tree. They report the results in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Ida is a skeleton of a 47 million-year-old cat-sized creature found in Germany. It starred in a book, "The Link: Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor."

Ida represents a previously unknown primate species called Darwinius. The scientists who formally announced the finding said they weren't claiming Darwinius was a direct ancestor of monkeys, apes and humans. But they did argue that it belongs in the same major evolutionary grouping, and that it showed what an actual ancestor of that era might have looked like.

The new analysis says Darwinius does not belong in the same primate category as monkeys, apes and humans. Instead, the analysis concluded, it falls into the other major grouping, which includes lemurs.

Experts agreed.

"This is a rigorous analysis based on many features," said Eric Sargis, an anthropology professor at Yale. He said he'd found the argument of the Darwinius researchers unconvincing, so the new result came as no surprise.

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In fact, it confirms what most scientists think, said David Begun, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Toronto.

Jorn Hurum of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, an author of the Ida paper, said he welcomed the new analysis.

Darwinius is an example of a group of primates called adapoids, and "we are happy to start the scientific discussion" about what Ida means for where adapoids fit on the primate family tree, he wrote in an e-mail.


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Posted: Oct 21 2009, 08:28 PM
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That pic just looks like a hairy black chick..... Im just saying.

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Posted: Oct 22 2009, 07:57 AM
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the fossil they found that they think we "evolved" from, is more like a cat than human.

nice try scientists....


maybe some day people will realize that all the answers cannot and will not be found through investigation and science. perhaps you arent supposed to know everything, or designed to not know everything, for a reason.


im just sayin....
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QUOTE (joseph23573 @ Oct 22 2009, 07:57 AM)
the fossil they found that they think we "evolved" from, is more like a cat than human.

nice try scientists....


maybe some day people will realize that all the answers cannot and will not be found through investigation and science. perhaps you arent supposed to know everything, or designed to not know everything, for a reason.


im just sayin....

What do you mean "nice try" what is it that you think scientists are trying to do? Science is about finding things, and trying to find an explanation that best fits the data. There is no mass hidden agenda.

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‘Missing link’ primate isn’t a link after all
Expert: Ida is as far from monkey-ape-human ancestry as primate can be

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A new analysis says that a 47-million-year-old skeleton of the most complete fossil primate ever found, unveiled May 19 at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, is actually as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate can be.
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updated 12:52 p.m. ET, Wed., Oct . 21, 2009
NEW YORK - Remember Ida, the fossil discovery announced last May with its own book and TV documentary? A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans.

Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative. And now a new analysis supports their reaction.

In fact, Ida is as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate could be, says Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in New York.

Story continues below ↓
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
advertisement | your ad here

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

He and his colleagues compared 360 specific anatomical features of 117 living and extinct primate species to draw up a family tree. They report the results in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Ida is a skeleton of a 47 million-year-old cat-sized creature found in Germany. It starred in a book, "The Link: Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor."

Ida represents a previously unknown primate species called Darwinius. The scientists who formally announced the finding said they weren't claiming Darwinius was a direct ancestor of monkeys, apes and humans. But they did argue that it belongs in the same major evolutionary grouping, and that it showed what an actual ancestor of that era might have looked like.

The new analysis says Darwinius does not belong in the same primate category as monkeys, apes and humans. Instead, the analysis concluded, it falls into the other major grouping, which includes lemurs.

Experts agreed.

"This is a rigorous analysis based on many features," said Eric Sargis, an anthropology professor at Yale. He said he'd found the argument of the Darwinius researchers unconvincing, so the new result came as no surprise.

Video

   Fossil frenzy: Is this the mother of all monkeys?
May 19: The American Museum of Natural History on Tuesday unveiled at 47 million-year-old fossil that could be a missing link in the study of human evolution.
Nightly News


In fact, it confirms what most scientists think, said David Begun, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Toronto.

Jorn Hurum of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, an author of the Ida paper, said he welcomed the new analysis.

Darwinius is an example of a group of primates called adapoids, and "we are happy to start the scientific discussion" about what Ida means for where adapoids fit on the primate family tree, he wrote in an e-mail.


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Gravity is a theory, do you not believe it's true?

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