For a fat loss stack, would you rather have...

2-4g/day, preferrably closer to the 4 for a significant effect, although I also don't like megadosing things unless I feel I have good cause to do so, so it's your call, especially since this can get expensive...

No, I'm talking about liothyronine, synthetic thyroid = T3. The actual stuff that circulates in your body & figures intimately into metabolic rate/REE/protein synthesis/RQ..

Short story: taking 6-20g of Fish Oil/ED (more if you are heavier, less if you are leaner) over the long-term will basically alters you genetics to promote a leaner, more musclar phenotype. A good-quality Fish Oil source is probably the single best dietary supplement you can get...

Nuts are good. Ditch the Flax though & just use Extra-Virgin Olive Oil...

Life...she is full of compromises...

Given phospholipid membrane turnover and the instability of N:3 fatty acids in said membrane, I'd say 2-3 months. Fish Oil should be taken/used year-round however, as it will make you healthier, happier, and improve muscle gains, fat loss, & nutrient partitioning-- all on the cellular level...

Well, usually it contains some caffeine, but generally no. But yeah, I always recommend researching everything you put in your body...

Complicated. In short, exogenous (re: synthetic T3) thyroid will inhibit TSH and cause a decrease in natural thyroid production. Thus, when you come off T3, you will be hypothyroid for roughly ~ 1-2 months while TSH recovers and returns to normal. While T4 production will upregulate some to compensate, you will essentially have about a ~25% impairment in metabolic capabilities during this period. It's a high price to pay. Some think it is worth it, some don't.

I said 20g if you are quite overweight, less if you are leaner. I consider 10% BF to be 'lean,' thus, you should be taking only 6-10g/ED.

Yes, the Fish Oil caps linked from here are perfectly good.

Yeah, but Fish Oil is better, and so is Olive Oil (do a search for "Olive AND Oil" with my user-name as I have explained why on at least one other thread here). Therefore, why use a 'third-rate' EFA source when you can use a second or a first-rate one? Simply put, Fish and Olive Oil(s) are 'Athlete Fats.' People who want to be strong, healthy, injury-free, and lean relative to the amount of LBM they carry should make these two fats comprise a large % of their daily fat intake...

Olives contain only a minute amount of Olive Oil, so no, unfortunately, they do not make for an adequate substitute. Olive Oil is great for cooking though, so why not just cook with it all the time if you are looking for ways to get it into your diet. I mean, I just down it by the Tsp. or Tbsp., but if you prefer to not be quite that "Hard-core," just sautee some meat in it or mix it into veggies or sauces with some seasoning(s)...

...*just shakes head*

I don't care what Udo says, the enzymatic conversion rate of LA to EPA/DHA sucks, and can be impaired by an innumerable number of things, one in particular being the ingestion of caffeine. Seriously, Fish Oil puts Flax Oil to bed without its toys in terms of promoting body-comp. improvements, and I shall say no more...

...Sacrilege!!!

Ditto. I've now made Chocolate "Reese's Protein Pudding" the fundamental staple of my dietary protein intake...

If a high green tea intake was unsound from a health standpoint, Okinowans wouldn't boast the highest per capita rate(s) of longevity on the planet, because they down the stuff perpetually, as have most Asian cultures for centuries...

In fact, quite the opposite. From a health-standpoint, the catechins & polyphenols in green tea are some of the most potent naturally-occurring, free-radical scavenging anti-oxidants out there...

Vinpo is also a PDE inhibitor of some kind, may be why they are including it in fat loss supps, don't know

The amount of bioperine is probably negligible...

Working on it... everyone has been quite busy lately...

Those pills are only 70 mg EGCG each - I would take 6+ daily for fat loss. I take a gram daily of EGCG, but am going to lower that next month due to the hassle of the capping the bulk powder.

Although I was previously, I am no longer a fan of forskolin, for various reasons -

-Lack of in vivo studies
-Indications of undesirable effects in in vitro studies
-Low - possibly very low - oral bioavailability
-Non-specific mode of action - if it does reach tissues, it may do stuff everywhere - which is unnecessary and may be undesirable

I recommend a lower dose of fish oil - 1-2 g EPA/DHA daily (2-6 g fish oil) whether bulking or cutting - I don't think it will have drastic/noticeable effects on body comp at any dose, but this amount is excellent for your health, and may provide some benefit and have less possibility of intefering with anabolism...

There have been a few studies indicating that ephedrine+caffeine is safe before intense exercise - however, I would not add in other stimulants to the mix.

I would recommend checking out the green tea article linked at the bottom if you want further information.. it is quite thorough

Just to comment a little further on this - the flax will not hurt per se - but it is not a priority, when compared to the healthy oils Loki mentions. OTOH I don't see any reason not to add some flaxseed oil to your diet, especially if you can tolerate the taste (which isn't all that bad, if it isn't rancid).

Canola oil is better than most oils - but I would draw the line at calling it a "healthy oil." I have read in numerous places that the fatty acid profile is misleading, and that it is a low quality oil, but I don't remember the specifics. Nevertheless - the o-6:o-3 ratio is 2:1, which by itself isn't all that bad (although not nearly as good as flaxseed or fish oils), but isn't really going to help much to offset the skewed ratio in most Western diets. It is high in oleic, but not as high as olive oil, and olive oil also has a lot less LA.

In summary, good oils:

-Fish oil
-Olive oil
-Flaxseed oil
-Hemp oil

Decent/tolerable oils:

-Canola oil (when not partially and/or fully hydrogenated)
-Peanut oil
-Soybean oil (when not partially and/or fully hydrogenated)

Oils to limit:
-Sunflower/safflower oils (sometimes high in o-9, but varies widely)
-Corn oil

Oils to avoid:
-Anything hydrogenated
-Animal fat
-Coconut, palm oil

I don't know Loki's reasoning - but IMO it would be the other way around if anything, as membrane incorporation will be higher in the hypercaloric state.

Diet-Induced Fatigue Reduction is really the one main reason IMHO.

I agree with this wholly and completely (you can add Evening Primrose Oil on here too, but if you're getting enough Fish & Olive Oil it's basically an unnecessary additiion). These are the four oils you should really focus on, and you should REALLY be giving priority to Fish & Olive Oil...

It takes roughly 6g/ED (of Fish Oil, not EPA/DHA) over a period of a few months to get to the point where you consistently have the ligands in EPA (and DHA to a smaller extent) binding to and activating PPAR-alpha on the cellular level in muscles. This is why I consider 6g to the minimum one should consume. Higher levels of fish oil consumption are good for a hypocaloric state because:

- less inflammation
- a more permeable phospholipid membrane (and you need more fish oil consumption here because being in an energy deficit means there is a higher rate of turnover and N:3s are always oxidized first in such scenarios) means greater RQ and more effective nutrient partitioning.
- Increased good PGE2 & PGE3 production

When hypercaloric though, you do not want too much fish oil, because you will hinder anabolism because EPA/DHA in high amounts will compete with AA (Arachrondic Acid) during prostaglandin synthesis, and counteracting AA is quite detrimental for mass gains (less than ideal PGE1, less than ideal AA release/response during training will both lead to slight decreases in the adaptive growth response).

Most EPA/DHA per gram of Fish Oil.

I don't know what your diet/calorie intake is, but start by taking a Tbsp. with your last meal or pre-bed protein shake or whatever. 1-2 Tbsps./day is more than sufficient to begin reaping the benefits of Olive Oil intake.

I would go with the Now Omega-3

Not detrimental, but yes it could potentially reduce mass gains - both muscle mass and fat mass. It's just a double-edged sword - everyone is ultra-concerned because COX inhibitors reduced protein syntheses, well they also reduce lipogenesis. However, from a health perspective, increased inhibition of AA is clearly the better option, and I have yet to see evidence that it is rate-limiting to muscle growth in any way - the body exists in a delicate balance, and just because inhibiting something interferes with protein synthesis, doesn't mean increasing it will increase protein synthesis. JMHO - like I said previously, I don't think it's going to make a big difference body comp-wise, either way.

I came across an abstract at one point indicating that fish oil was much more effectively incorporated during overfeeding in humans, unfortunately I can't find it right now.

Really? Odd.

No that's not me.

Although one dude in this thread is called "lovetoeat". I should've picked that name!

its designed to create a shivering response in the body....

the theory is you burn a shitload of cal's by shivering. lol Im Not a huge fan of this product. I've used the liquid version in the energy drink section and basically spazzed out like i had parkinsons for an hour.

im sure in time it wont effect you the same. I would just use Ephedrine, Yohimbe and caffeine.

lol

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