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Posted by: freshstart Mar 6 2004, 01:02 PM
ph34r.gif I just started getting into working out and getting fit since high school, I am 31 now I started working out 5 days a week and taking M1T.I want to get big but want results quick is this the way to go, and can you take creatine with M1T?
and agian I am very new to this, just trying to start fresh. Thank You

Posted by: Sypher Mar 6 2004, 01:07 PM
yeah you can take creatine while on a cycle

Posted by: Loki Mar 6 2004, 01:09 PM
- Will 17aa-1-Test get an untrained lifter lifting 5 days a week big quickly? Yes.
- Will it get him big in a relatively short amount of time? Yes.
- Can creatine (essentially an AMINO ACID) be used with a Steroid? YES. ALWAYS. (big emphasis on "yes" and "always")

But based on what I am hearing, I still do not think that-- for you-- this is the "way to go."

Why do you even need such sudden mass gains?? Do you even know what you're putting in your body?? Have you ever even run a cycle before?? Do you even have a PCT regimen planned out??

I counsel you to make sure you can answer all of the above fully before you go diving off the deep end into Methyl-1-Test...

Posted by: freshstart Mar 6 2004, 01:11 PM
should I up my M1T daily intake? currently 1 capsule a day(5mg) or wait till 2nd cycle?

Posted by: DAdams Mar 6 2004, 02:18 PM
QUOTE (Loki @ Mar 6 2004, 01:09 PM)
- Will 17aa-1-Test get an untrained lifter lifting 5 days a week big quickly? Yes.
- Will it get him big in a relatively short amount of time? Yes.
- Can creatine (essentially an AMINO ACID) be used with a Steroid? YES. ALWAYS. (big emphasis on "yes" and "always")

But based on what I am hearing, I still do not think that-- for you-- this is the "way to go."

Why do you even need such sudden mass gains?? Do you even know what you're putting in your body?? Have you ever even run a cycle before?? Do you even have a PCT regimen planned out??

I counsel you to make sure you can answer all of the above fully before you go diving off the deep end into Methyl-1-Test...

Did you not read what LOKI just said??? You need to educate yourself before you start this cycle. M1T Is WAY strong for a firsttimer. Also do you even have a PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) ready to go??? Also, if your just starting to work out (Again?), gains will come fairly quick at first.

Your body, Your Call

Posted by: freshstart Mar 6 2004, 02:28 PM
that's why I'm here looking for a little advise, on a post cycle therapy and on things to do to get going right, and how long to use a supplement. I am "iggnorant"
to these things, but trying to educate myself, through reading articles, and asking questions.I already have the M1T that's why I was questioning the use.

Posted by: Loki Mar 6 2004, 02:42 PM
You're not already USING IT, are you!?? ohmy.gif



Edit: And please answer the above questions I posed to you in my first response. I can't help you if I don't totally know where you're coming from and where you're trying to go. Right now I'm just speculating, and what I'm envisioning has me rather 'worried.'

Posted by: Lean One Mar 6 2004, 02:58 PM
Freshstart, Don't sell youself short or risk your health by remaining ignorant. EDUCATE YOURSELF. We are here to help. NOBODY can do this right alone. Don't jump in blindly. unsure.gif

Posted by: weeviekins2000 Mar 6 2004, 05:03 PM
Stop taking the M1T, and go to the doctor and tell them to check out your liver!. Its not just a "supplement". You should have done some kind of research before just going out and buying M1T!. Are you trying to hurt yourself or help yourself?. Don't be so ignorant and blind!. Don't just go putting anything into your body thinking it will make you big!. Thats just danerous and dumb!. Sorry if I sound like a jerk. Its just that its people in your situtation, and people like you that contribute to causing bans on perfectly safe substances because the way you use them. M1T is not a substance to be taken lightly, its not considered a "supplement". You can't just take it like its a fucking vitamin!!!

Posted by: freshstart Mar 6 2004, 11:36 PM
so if the M1T is not a good thing, what should I start with to get the rsulte I would like to get?

Posted by: prolangtum Mar 7 2004, 12:58 AM
If your diet and training are in order, you should make great gains starting out.

Posted by: James Martin Mar 7 2004, 04:42 AM
QUOTE (freshstart @ Mar 6 2004, 01:02 PM)
ph34r.gif I just started getting into working out and getting fit since high school, I am 31 now I started working out 5 days a week and taking M1T.I want to get big but want results quick is this the way to go, and can you take creatine with M1T?
and agian I am very new to this, just trying to start fresh. Thank You

18yrold, 19yrold, 20yrold, 30yrs old whatever..Just make sure you have paid your dues before taking any prohormone..And research.
You should have a solid foundation before you start them & the pro steroid information to match.
The fact of the matter:
You shouldn't even have M1T in your house if you don't have the proper PCT, liver and prostate supplements.
Good luck bro.

Posted by: powergrudge Mar 7 2004, 05:29 AM
this has got to be a joke.

Posted by: shpongled Mar 7 2004, 08:04 AM
All right people - take it easy.

Freshstart, listen to the advice of everyone here. You can make some very solid gains without M1T at this point. If you want to use a steroid/prohormone start with something else - S1+ or 1-AD+4-AD is a good choice. Although you should still do a lot of reading before starting with those, at least messing with them without knowing what you are doing is less likely to cause long-lasting damage or other problems. Start by reading the prohormone information sticky at the top of the supplement forum.

Now, there are plenty of other supplements you should consider first. These include:

1. Creatine.
2. A protein powder - preferably a blend of whey, casein, and perhaps other proteins. Use this for two meals a day (and, if you don't already know, you should be eating six meals daily). One of the protein shakes should be after your workout.
3. A preworkout carb/protein supplement - like one of the Xtreme Formulations products, or even just some pure whey protein and/or some dextrose before your workout.
4. A multivitamin.
5. Other supplements you might want to take include: Acetyl-L-carnitine, alpha lipoic acid, taurine, and some extra vitamins and minerals.

After you have taken all of these and gotten your training in order over 6-12 months - then I would start researching prohormones and steroids. Trust me, you can still gain a lot of mass, in a short period of time. But keep in mind that patience is also a key attribute.

Posted by: Michael19019 Mar 7 2004, 03:04 PM
Freshstart.. if you continue taking the M1T like you are, you're gonna hop off the cycle and find yourself with some huge bitch tits and a messed up liver. If you don't listen to anyone else here, please listen to this: 1. GET SOME MILK THISTLE (protects your liver) 2. GO GET SOME NOLVADEX (Also known as Tamoxifen Citrate or Liquifen [do a google search to find where to buy.. if you can't find it plz pm me.. don't hurt yourself anymore]) after you complete your cycle here's how you take the nolvadex... 40mg every day for 1 week, 20 mg every day for the next week, and 10 mg (optional) the next week (this will protect you from developing gyno or "bitch tits". VERY IMPORTANT: do not take the nolva while on cycle or do not cycle another time while taking the nolvadex.. completely get off your cycle and take the nolvadex

Posted by: sexymf Apr 26 2004, 01:06 AM
im getting ready to start a cycle of 1ad+4ad but im reading up on pct and someone mentioned milk thistle.. is there anything else to protect the liver? also what about prostate health? what do you recomend?

Posted by: GreenMonster Apr 30 2004, 08:35 PM
I think everyone is being a little rough on the guy. He's trying to get info, and it is a lot easier asking than reading everything on the net. I do the same thing.
Now bro, they're right you should've had a little more patience before you started. But I feel that if you stick with a low dose, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, and use Milk Thistle plus 6 oxo you'll be fine. You may lose some gains, but keep working hard. And don't let these guys worry you, just because you don't know everything in the world about it doesn't mean you're liver will die or anything. Goodluck bro. Keep me posted how you do.

Posted by: billyzane2 Apr 30 2004, 10:06 PM
Exactly. Keep it to 5mg and drink lots of water. Try not to drink alcohol too. If you MUST I would keep it under 4 beers tops and consider that a mistake and try to never drink.

I had a few beers once on M1T and noticed I got real drunk quick, so you can tell it does impact your liver. You have to remember though, that getting hammered on lots of beers or whiskey is also REAL bad for your liver.

Posted by: bak Jul 5 2004, 01:45 PM
QUOTE (shpongled @ Mar 7 2004, 08:04 AM)
All right people - take it easy.

Freshstart, listen to the advice of everyone here. You can make some very solid gains without M1T at this point. If you want to use a steroid/prohormone start with something else - S1+ or 1-AD+4-AD is a good choice. Although you should still do a lot of reading before starting with those, at least messing with them without knowing what you are doing is less likely to cause long-lasting damage or other problems. Start by reading the prohormone information sticky at the top of the supplement forum.

Now, there are plenty of other supplements you should consider first. These include:

1. Creatine.
2. A protein powder - preferably a blend of whey, casein, and perhaps other proteins. Use this for two meals a day (and, if you don't already know, you should be eating six meals daily). One of the protein shakes should be after your workout.
3. A preworkout carb/protein supplement - like one of the Xtreme Formulations products, or even just some pure whey protein and/or some dextrose before your workout.
4. A multivitamin.
5. Other supplements you might want to take include: Acetyl-L-carnitine, alpha lipoic acid, taurine, and some extra vitamins and minerals.

After you have taken all of these and gotten your training in order over 6-12 months - then I would start researching prohormones and steroids. Trust me, you can still gain a lot of mass, in a short period of time. But keep in mind that patience is also a key attribute.

Ok my questions to this are:

What type of creatine product do you recommend?

What type of protein supp do you recommend? I read up on Beverly product that has multiple sources of protein versus just simple whey. Is this one you would recommend?

Xtreme Formulations? Is there a site you found that has a good price on this?

thanks in advance bro

bak

Posted by: shpongled Jul 5 2004, 07:24 PM
QUOTE (bak @ Jul 5 2004, 10:45 AM)
Ok my questions to this are:

What type of creatine product do you recommend?

Any pure creatine monohydrate product with the Creapure label. The Optimum brand is one option.

QUOTE
What type of protein supp do you  recommend? I read up on Beverly product that has multiple sources of protein versus just simple whey. Is this one you would recommend?


No, Beverly products are overpriced. I do recommend a blend of whey along with casein or milk protein. I list my recommendations depend on what type of product you are looking for here:

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?ingredients_id=18

QUOTE
Xtreme Formulations? Is there a site you found that has a good price on this?


http://www.bulknutrition.com/?manufacturers_id=54

Posted by: marmar Jul 5 2004, 08:57 PM
who here is sick and tired of reading about people with no training experience, no ass busting for years, no trial and error shoving every possible pill in their mouth to get something they no nothing about...i'm sick of you a-hole you'll never look like me cause you have no idea what its about...f you

Posted by: bak Jul 5 2004, 09:24 PM
QUOTE (shpongled @ Jul 5 2004, 07:24 PM)
QUOTE (bak @ Jul 5 2004, 10:45 AM)
Ok my questions to this are:

What type of creatine product do you recommend?

Any pure creatine monohydrate product with the Creapure label. The Optimum brand is one option.

QUOTE
What type of protein supp do you  recommend? I read up on Beverly product that has multiple sources of protein versus just simple whey. Is this one you would recommend?


No, Beverly products are overpriced. I do recommend a blend of whey along with casein or milk protein. I list my recommendations depend on what type of product you are looking for here:

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?ingredients_id=18

QUOTE
Xtreme Formulations? Is there a site you found that has a good price on this?


http://www.bulknutrition.com/?manufacturers_id=54

ok so HSN Driver is a product I am interested in purchasing. Form what i read, this would be excellent for nighttime protein! Is this good for all my protein needs? Or should I be looking into a CFM whey like ON whey protein for pre/post workout or Ultra Peptide by Xetreme Formualtions?

Thanks

bak

Posted by: RepubCarrier Jul 7 2004, 12:31 PM
QUOTE (marmar @ Jul 5 2004, 08:57 PM)
who here is sick and tired of reading about people with no training experience, no ass busting for years, no trial and error shoving every possible pill in their mouth to get something they no nothing about...i'm sick of you a-hole you'll never look like me cause you have no idea what its about...f you

lol harsh... but way to go, that's exactly what he deserved

Posted by: shpongled Jul 8 2004, 07:34 PM
QUOTE (bak @ Jul 5 2004, 06:24 PM)
ok so HSN Driver is a product I am interested in purchasing. Form what i read, this would be excellent for nighttime protein! Is this good for all my protein needs? Or should I be looking into a CFM whey like ON whey protein for pre/post workout or Ultra Peptide by Xetreme Formualtions?

Thanks

bak

Pre-workout I would just use whey. Post workout I don't think it matters as much, you can use slow or fast protein, as long as you take it right after you are done working out.

Posted by: c murda Sep 9 2004, 01:54 PM
QUOTE (GreenMonster @ Apr 30 2004, 08:35 PM)
I think everyone is being a little rough on the guy. He's trying to get info, and it is a lot easier asking than reading everything on the net. I do the same thing.
Now bro, they're right you should've had a little more patience before you started. But I feel that if you stick with a low dose, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, and use Milk Thistle plus 6 oxo you'll be fine. You may lose some gains, but keep working hard. And don't let these guys worry you, just because you don't know everything in the world about it doesn't mean you're liver will die or anything. Goodluck bro. Keep me posted how you do.

should i use milk thistle while taking m1t/ 4ad

Posted by: c murda Sep 9 2004, 01:56 PM
QUOTE (GreenMonster @ Apr 30 2004, 08:35 PM)
I think everyone is being a little rough on the guy. He's trying to get info, and it is a lot easier asking than reading everything on the net.  I do the same thing. 
Now bro, they're right you should've had a little more patience before you started.  But I feel that if you stick with a low dose, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, and use Milk Thistle plus 6 oxo you'll be fine.  You may lose some gains, but keep working hard.  And don't let these guys worry you, just because you don't know everything in the world about it doesn't mean you're liver will die or anything. Goodluck bro.  Keep me posted how you do.

should i use milk thistle while taking m1t/ 4ad

Posted by: cpa5oh Sep 9 2004, 03:33 PM
QUOTE (marmar @ Jul 5 2004, 08:57 PM)
who here is sick and tired of reading about people with no training experience, no ass busting for years, no trial and error shoving every possible pill in their mouth to get something they no nothing about...i'm sick of you a-hole you'll never look like me cause you have no idea what its about...f you

Spoken like a true jackass.