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anyone know if I can get Nutrex...lipo 6 in canada??? or at the gnc ???

no, green tea has a high quanity of polyphenols and catheins, the most important being EGCG which has been shown to be a powerful antioxident and it also (by itself) is a stimulant free fat burner and thermogenic.

-vasu

Money aside, do you think this stack would work even a little better:

VPX Meldown z-14, 4 Caps
Pro Lab Cuts II, 4 Caps
Optimum Nutrition Lean Tea Complex, 2 Caps
Now Guggul Extract, 5 Caps
1Fast400 Yohimbine HCl, 4 Caps

what about xtreme formulations new product chizled?

Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 3 capsules
Servings Per Conatiner: 60

Caffeine Anhydrous 200mg
Synephrine HCL 20mg
Octopamine HCL 150mg
Tyramine HCL 25mg
Yohimbe HCL 3mg
Green Tea Extract 350mg [standardized for 220mg EGCG and 98% phenols]
Synthetic Gugglesterones Z&E 20mg
Bioperine 5mg

its got your bioperine/guggul (tho largely different amounts from what shpongled suggested)/EGCG/yohimbe (typo maybe? supposed to be yohimbine? on the writeup it says yohimbine but in the list it says yohimbe)/synephrine/caffeine.

add some vasopro and some GO (for the extra caffeine/tyrosine/ALCAR) and you got a helluva stack, no?

are topical fatloss sprays any good? and if they are would some 1 reccommend the best 1 to get the job done.

I just purchased some y-hcl and caffine to go with my vasopro. I started taking 1 of each yesterday 3 times a day. Today I added an extra y-hcl to my first dose. I haven't noticed anything different. Should I add another to make it 1 vasopro, 1 caffine, 3 y-hcl?. I know david tolson is against mixing the vasopro with the y-hcl, but I haven't had any negative sides so far, I am just wondering how much can I add without getting them...I really don't want to leave this up to trial and error though if you know what I mean....

Well I just got the Yohimbine hcl and the caffine yesterday. I took 1 1fast400 caffine tab, 1 vasopro, 1 1fast yohimbine hcl 3 times a day about 3 hours apart. Today was is the second day of this stack and I added an extra yohimine hcl thats 5 mg to each dose. I just had my second dose, and actually I am feeling a little jittery this time around. Maybe I should wait longer than 3 hours apart?. I don't know if I should take 2 yohimbine hcl with my next dose because I really don't know what the correct dosage would be with this stack....So to answer your question, yesterday, my first day of the stack, I took 7.5 mg total of yohimbine hcl...I have been taking the Vasopro for a while now though, just added the yohimbine hcl and caffine yesterday...

[FONT=Optima][COLOR=orange][COLOR=red]I am a 20 year old female who currently weighs 130lbsand is 5"4. I have tried everything under the sun to try lose the excess fat on my belly but it doesnt seem to want to budge. I eat very healthy and exercise 4-5xs a week. I had found a supplement called Thermogenesis by Nature's Lab which is an Ephedra-Caffeine-Aspririn stack, ive been on it for almost 3 months and have only lost 5lbs. Im going to come off of it and give my body some time to get readjusted. When I start my next cycle I'd like to try something different. Ive been reading the posts for some time and Im interested in the stack currently being reffered to in this forum. What would be a good dosage? how often? Should i try a different stack because im a female? What about Sans Thyro CUts II? Anyone try that stacked with anything else?? Ive also been doing a little research on clembuterols, anyone have any input on these?? Topical gels?? Bottom line......im lost, can someone help me find my way??

1. Do you know how many calories it takes to maintain your weight?
2. Do you have an accurate estimation of how many calories you're taking in each day?
3. What kinds of food choices are making specifically?

The answers to those questions will pretty much provide you with all you need to know in order to lose weight. Be honest with yourself and consider the possibility that your diet might have some glitches beyond just being 'healthy'. Diet is first and most important thing you can pay attention to if you want to lose weight. If you can't lose weight without supplements, then using them won't really get you anywhere. That's why they are called supplements--because they are supplemental to an already well-planned diet. If your diet truly is in order and you still aren't losing weight, then it may be time to take a break to let your metabolism/thyroid upregulate.

As to a few other things you mentioned:

1. The ECA stack shouldn't lose it's efficacy over time. Ephedrine has been proven to increase Basal Metabolic Rate up to 10% when used chronically (months at a time). You can't base how well it's working on whether or not you 'feel' it.

2. If I remember correctly, Thyro-Cuts if basically just Forskolin and Guggulsterones. Both are fine ingredients, but as I mentioned, they are not magic bullets and will not do the work for you. However, this product just may be ideal to keep your thyroid from slowing down too much while your dieting for months at a time. (Remember, though--perfect your diet first...)

3. Stay away from Clenbuterol. It's not for beginners. It's not for recreational dieters. If you can't spell it correctly, then you haven't even begun to do adequate research. Not trying to scold you, just looking out for your best interest.

4. If you're exercising 4-5 times per week, make sure that you aren't overtraining. This can beat your metabolism down and make you feel like crap. By overtraining, I mean spending 2 1/2 hours in the gym each day. Try to limit cardio sessions to ~45 minutes if they are moderate paced and weightlifting should probably go no longer than 30-40 minutes at a time.


I hope you can use this to examine your situation and push past your plateau. I think I've beat my point in to the ground: Diet comes first! Once you're sure you've got that down and you see the weight start to come off consistently, then you can think about supplementing with something to speed things along and ease the pain of dieting. Good luck.

David -

I'm not familiar w/ the Nutrex / Prolab products you mention, but I do know the ingredients you list, and this looks like a fun game so I thought I'd jump in.

Seems to me your stack is stimulant-heavy, even without ephedrine, more due to the quantities that the compounds (I try to soft-pedal the cumulative impact of stimulants). If you're after fat-loss, 10mg is a lot of yohimbine, but if it's the buzz you're after - be my guest! Caffeine is a bit high for me, as well.

Having recently read your TOP 5 REASONS about ECA over on BB.com, this might be a good place to say that we only need take enough to activate the physiological processes - the stimulant effects are SIDE effects if fat-loss is the goal...'course, plenty of people take 'em for the stimulus - in which case, fat-loss is the side-effect! ;-)

If I were to trim it down, I'd cut the caffeine & yohimbine in half, and either drop the choline, or replace it w/ the Alpha-GPC & cut the lecithin in half. I'd also leave out the L-carnitine: my experience suggests that the benefits for fat-loss are more theoretical than actual (there may be studies that suggest otherwise, YMMV). For the real do-it-yourself-er, I'd recommend scrapping the ready-mades & building it yourself from bulk.

If I were to pump it up, I'd add a gram of L-tyrosine & 'fortify' the guggul extract w/ BN's guggulsterone powder. I use BAC's guggul extract, add the synthetic guggulsterones to it; w/ these forming 5% of the total, 3 '00' capsules gives your ~95mg target.

Another move I'd make would be to substitute the NOW Green Tea extract w/ either the BAC or the BulkNut GTE - both of which are standardised to 70% catechins (compare to NOW's 40%). 3 '1' capsules == 300mg EGCG.

I notice you don't include 7-keto/oxo-DHEA - is this due to poor oral availability or some other reason?

I’m wondering about what stack is best for me to lose weight (with diet & exercise of course). I read all the good stuff in this post

But then I read article by Jim Stoppani, PhD in Muscle and Fitness magazine titled: “ Which Fat Burner is For You” and basically the ingredients that he thinks make the difference are:
Synephrine 40 mg per day
Octopamine 1-3 times per day each dose: 150-250 mg
Tyrosine 1000-2000 mg
EGCG 2-3 times per day each dose: 90mg
Caffeine 1-2 times per day each dose:100-300 mg
Yohimbine 5-10 mg
Forskolin 2-3 times per day each dose: 20-50 mg
Guggulsterones 1-3 times per day each dose: 20-60mg
7-KETO 100-200 mg

The supplement that deliver closest combination of what’s in the article is TriCuts III from SciFit:
Amount Per Serving:
Guggul Lipid Extract (10%): 600mg
(standardized for 60mg guggulsterones)
Guarana Extract (50%): 400mg
(standardized for 200mg caffeine)
Coleus Forskolii (20%): 300mg
(Standardized for 60mg forskolin)
L-Tyrosine: 200mg
7-Keto DHEA: 150mg
Octopamine: 150mg
Yohimbe Bark Extract: 125mg
(standardized for 10mg yohimbine)
Caffeine: 100mg
Bioperine: 5mg
3,5-Diiodo-L-Tyrosine: 200mcg
Other Ingredients:
Magnesium stearate, gelatin.

I’m just wondering if I should try shpongled’s “Best Fat Loss Stack” or try this TriCuts thing. Reason being I don’t find any review about this supplement here in this great forum.

Before I get my TriCuts I was given sample of stacker 2 XPLC. I find this thing works great. Which makes me think whether I should give the XPLC more try or stick with TriCuts or shpongled’s “Best Fat Loss Stack”?

Together with the XPLC sample I actually got Lipo-6 which didn't work for me. After reading lots of good review from all of you about Lipo-6, seems like it's supposed to work after 1 week of continuous consumption, which makes me think if I should give it another try.

Will it be too much if I try to stack TriCuts with:
Tonalin CLA 5gr
Calcium Pyruvate 6gr
L-Tyrosine 1gr
EGCG 500mg
Hoodia Extract 500mg
Weight Smart once a day supplement (for the rest of the vitamins I need)

My appetite go nuts at night, I just can’t control it. That’s why I want to try the Hoodia thing.

I’m trying to do HIIT 3 times per week for the cardio and some weights for the rest of the week.

Any input is highly appreciated. Thank you.

very interesting thread to read...money aside, are these safe products for an 18 year old to use? it took a bit of research for me to realize the safety of creatine, and now i dont even blink when i take it...there really is no danger as long as its used in moderation. i guess id have to research all these supps but are they all perfectly safe when used correctly?