Best Fat Loss Stack

I took 15-17.5mg of Y-HCL for +2 weeks with E and C, and it pretty much did nothing for me. Dieting of course. No difference in fat loss with or without oral Y-HCL.

A lot better IMO. I am not really a fan of propriety blends, but especially when none of the ingredients are really unique, or if they are stimulants.

The Prolab product contains both. 1 gram of lecithin really isn't going to do much. But the gram of choline is enough, and is more than the amount used in the l-carnitine+choline fat loss clinical trial.

I would split the Lipo 6 up between 2-3 doses during the day but avoid it before bed. The others split throughout the day. I would be taking some pills at least three times daily.

Example:

Morning:
2 Lipo 6
2 Prolab Cuts II
2 Green tea capsules
2 Guggul extract capsules

Afternoon or pre-workout:
2 Lipo 6
2 Green tea capsules
2 Guggul extract capsules

Before bed:
2 Prolab Cuts II
1 Guggul extract capsule

Yes, if less than 150 lbs you would want to lower the dosages.

Well there are already a lot of stimulants. Ephedrine could be added in if you can tolerate it. However it may have a negative reaction with yohimbine. I personally don't recommend combining the two.

For the cost-efficiency you are right on both counts, you could save money that way.

Kind of. To lose significant amounts of fat with or without supplements you have to be on a cut, yes. Some of these substances will still cause a preferential increase/sparing of lean mass over fat though which can be beneficial under any circumstance.

Check out my yohimbine article. Last paragraph I believe. A lot of people have contested me on this but I stand by it. But people should do whatever they think will work best.

shpongled,

i understand your reasoning behind avoiding E and Y together, but if each ingredient were kept to a certain amount would it still be a problem? the reason i ask is that i like the idea of stacking E-HCL with most of the ingredients in lipo-6 ef, but i'm unsure of whether 3-9mg of Y would be enough to have a negative effect when stacked with 75mg of E (of course it would be spread out over 3 doses.) would it just be better to find all of the ingredients from lipo-6 in other forms/products?

Well it is all unknown, but I wouldn't think 3-9 mg would be that big of a deal, especially if you are in good health, in which case you have less to worry about in terms of safety. I still think just take ephedrine and caffeine pills would be cheaper and probably just as or almost as effective though. Lipo 6 has synephrine, and trying to determine how important of an ingredient that is is a matter of guesswork, so I can't really say how big of a difference there would be.

What would you think of this stack (in terms of effectiveness/safety) if one wanted to replace the yohimbine with ephedrine:

Ephedrine HCL: 25mg x 3 doses
Caffeine: 200mg x 3 doses
Choline: 500mg x 3 doses
Lecithin: 500mg x 3 doses
L-carnitine: 550mg x 3 doses
Forskolin: 40mg x 2 doses
Guggulsterones: 30mg x 3 doses
Synephrine: 10mg x 2 doses
EGCG: 120mg x 2 doses


Vasopro Ephedrine HCL: 3 tabs
Prolab Caffeine: 3 tabs
Syntrax MM4: 4 caps
Syntrax Guggulbolic Extreme: 3 caps
Prolab Cuts 2: 6 tablets

It's essentially the same stack that you originally proposed, except for the absence of Bioperine and replacing the Y with E. Some ingredients are increased a bit and others are decreased, but this could be made up for by increasing the MM4 dosage to 6 caps daily. Do you see any flaws--other than the fact that it's probably even more expensive than the original stack?

No, that definitely looks good, assuming you aren't concerned with the high price. Does Syntrax still make MM4?

No, you can take them together, I would start with a low dose of Lipo 6 EF and build up though, to give your body a chance to build up tolerance to the stimulants

Vasopro and caffeine is very effective as is. The other stuff will give you some extra help but you should get good results with just ephedrine and caffeine still.

As far as I know, they're still making it. They're selling it from their website and plenty of other retailers stock it.

I've used formestane in between cycles, but that was after sustaining a little test suppression.

I don't think anyone will reap any of the benefits of a tribulus product if their natural testosterone levels are all ready pretty peaked. I believe that test levels start to take a significant drop as a man approaches 30 and if tribulus is used before this (especially before 25) the effects such as decreased fat mass and increased muscle mass probably won't be as pronounced.

Yeah, only real problems with 6-OXO are price and acne (which keeps me from using it). I still wouldn't use it year-round though, probably take a month or two off here and there. PA claims it shouldn't effect cholesterol and such much because it only has a small impact on estrogen levels.

IMO...hydroxycut isn't worth a piss. I've taken it before and it didn't do jack. I'd say go with a E/C stack and throw some HIIT cardio into your program (assuming you follow a good diet). Besides E/C is a helluva lot cheaper than hydro.

I agree. Unless your using the original, ephedra-containing formula of Hydroxycut, then the only real result will be a jitter-buzz from all the caffeine. So to answer your question: a good dosage would be 0 tabs 0 times a day.

Stick with ephedrine hcl and caffeine, or if you want to step it up a bit, try using the stack that Shpongled outlined at the beginning of this thread.

I don't think the Xene is any good either, but I have known a few girls that took it and had some good results with it (but I think that was back when it had the ephedra in it). I took the original w/ ephedra in it and it still didn't do anything for me, so personally I can't imagine the one w/o ephedra would be any good either.

Lots of people on the forum have said good things about Lipo 6, and Avant is coming out with H.E.A.T sometime in the near future which is supposed to be really good. Sesathin is also supposed to be great, though BN doesn't have it in stock yet (bummer!!!)

To me "fat loss" supps are like anti-depressants. What will work for some people will have no effect on others. It's hit & miss a lot of the time. Like I said earlier, if you want a cheap but effective stack, go with E/C and add some other supps in if you want.

that Meltdown looks REAL interesting. It has the synephrine (in a freakin huge dose i might add, you'd get 95mg a day!), caffeine and Forskolli that you'd find in Lipo-6, but also has Hordenine, Evodiamine and Tyramine that you'd find in the upcoming HEAT from avant. It however has no Yohimbine that both products have in common.

Wow, looks great, like stacking Lipo-6 EF and HEAT to some extent. Any thoughts on this, anyone try Meltdown yet?

-vasu

Well, now you got my interest on the Meltdown...as far as contents go it does look pretty damned good. Wish there was some user feedback in the reviews section for it.

I've been going with EC for awhile now and haven't bought any pricey fat loss supps in awhile so that's going to be a hard habit to break. Meltown looks like it breaks down to about $2.50 a day (going by the 120 cap bottle). Damn near twice as much as the Lipo-6.

Well...if anybody's been trying the Meltdown out let us know if it's worthwhile.

I find now foods to be a great co. I am glad 1fast400 carries their stuff but isnt green tea just caffeine more or less?
Ofcourse nothing wrong with that but just curiuos.

Art

Thanks for the info.
Art

Wee-

So how much are you taking right now per day of the yohimbine?

I'm sure you know this, but as a refresher, just because you don't "notice" it doesn't mean it isn't working. I don't want to see you jack the mg/g up per day and end up with some adverse side effects. I see alot of people uping there dosages because they think it's not working anymore...merely your body is getting used to it.

I am quite biased, but you might take a look at the science and feedback on LipoDerm Ultra

would this stil be your choice as the "best Fat Loss Stack"?

I ask beacuse in the 7 months since this post there might have been new product releases.

According to your article about Green Tea extract you should take 400-600mg EGCG at once to overcome saturation?

Taking 2 caps NOW Green tea extract won't give you that much.

Is this to get other benefits than fatloss?

The main benefit of stimulant fat burners is the appetite suppression and energy from the stimulation. You don't really burn that many more calories.

BTW, a fat loss stack is not complete without SesaThin

There isn't much danger if you take a bit too much creatine, either.

Because its banned and the companies dont want to be caught making it?

Damn bro, haven't seen you around this place for months. You're looking DIESEL!